Joy Reid writes about Trump making America a frighteningly great kakistocracy

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Comment by koshersalaami on July 16, 2017 at 5:35am

I had to look up kakistocracy

it's very well written

Comment by Ron Powell on July 16, 2017 at 5:57am

Extremely well written and well said...

Comment by Ron Powell on July 16, 2017 at 6:07am

"A kakistocracy (English pronunciation:/kækɪsˈtɑkɹəsi/) is a state or country run by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous citizens.[1][2] The word was coined as early as 1600s.[3] It was also used by English author Thomas Love Peacock in 1829."

-------Wikipedia

If Trump's presidency and administration can accurately be described and characterized as a "kakistocracy, then Hiklary was correct in describing his followers and supporters,as "a basket of deplorables".

Comment by JMac1949 Today on July 16, 2017 at 6:42am

R&L

Comment by MV Neland on July 16, 2017 at 12:15pm

Joy is brilliant and courages. She's an independent author, writer, and also an MSNBC host.  http://www.msnbc.com/am-joy

 I particularly like watching her no nonsense attitude, especially when Trump accolates dare come on her show - if they will engage honestly, she gives them their due. If they are there to "filibuster," she says as much and warns them they are there to inform the American public, clarifying the difference between sharing their view or trying to dominate the discussion to keep others from talking hoping to score political points. If her first or second warning doesn't help them learn to be polite and honest and stop interrupting, she disinvites them right then and there, leaving them dumbfounded and blinking in the camera at millions of viewers. She also brings on many people of color and also international guests, so i feel like i'm getting a more comprehensive and inclusive view. She lifts the MSM up.

Comment by Anna Herrington on July 16, 2017 at 12:35pm

Ms. Reid lost me with her rant against Bernie Sanders and supporters last month, although I appreciated her calling out the DNC for ignoring women of color.

For her, Hillary as president was meant to be the saving grace of the nation, so that blind-to-me stance, the continuing divide she helps promote on the 'left' with anti-progressive tweets like the one below, colors the tone behind her valid Trump rant, for me.

The main part of the anti-Sanders tweet/rant she posted:

Bernie and his followers are like that college friend who stays at your place for weeks, pays $0, eats your food & trashes your aesthetic.

Comment by MV Neland on July 16, 2017 at 2:07pm

@Anna - thanks for thoughts about Joy Reid's snip at Bernie supporters. Consider writing her, if you haven't. She does get wound up. She IS a stated Democrat and HRC supporter.  And, millions of Dems are currently pissed at Bernie supporters at the moment, including her, which she makes unequivably obvious.  BUT, her analogy WAS tactless.  

She does have integrity and will not only take your point but amend hers if she sees the wrong she has done. I've seen her do that a time or two right on the air or come back in a later show to own her mistake.

I don't agree with everything Reid says or does. Nor for anyone.  Not even all that i do or say. But, for a clearly Left media host on MSM, i think she lets her viewers know exactly where she stands. She doesn't strive for "fair and balanced"... just honest. I think Joy is saying - you say it, you own it. She owned her ire if you noticed in that piece.

Despite her flaws, i do appreciate Reid's insights and her many guests - again i must add, many people of color - giving them a large media platform without which a full understanding of the issues is possible. For example, her show is one of a couple in the entire MSM AND alternative media that will even mention voter suppression. But, i will find my concerns on this systemic racist practice wholly addressed at Reid's table and rarely anywhere else.  So, i will take the occasional smackdown fly in my tea to find affirmation that at least someone in politics and media is raising the issue loudly.

Maybe ask Joy to have more Bernie supporters on, maybe even Bernie himself, and start another much needed dialogue specific to this still smouldering issue between the Democratic Party and the solid movement of Bernie supporters.

Comment by koshersalaami on July 16, 2017 at 3:54pm

I have to wonder what Reid expected from Hillary. Tha answer to that question determines a lot. 

I have never been able to tell to my satisfaction how much of Bernie's economic views she buys into. Put another way, I don't know how much of her more corporatist tendencies are due to necessity and how much to philosophy. The current state of wealth distribution terrifies me, both economically and socially - and politically. If Reid thinks the more power Hillary has, the more economically egalitarian she'll get, and that Hillary's whole point is to tack to the destination Bernie has in mind but in such a way that we have a prayer of reaching that destination, I get why Reid says this stuff. If not, I think she's misreading both the state of the Democratic constituency and the state of the country. 

Democratic centrism is politically dangerous right now. Ultimately, I think it could be politically suicidal. Regardless of how annoying she finds Bernie supporters, they are right about how dire conditions are. 

Comment by MV Neland on July 16, 2017 at 6:09pm

I don't have that answer, kosher. But, for me, many in the Left up and abandoned the field and Joy Reid has alluded to this as well.  

A keen ability to frame the systemic issues and diagram the distribution channels of resources and power and individual and group access to both is just the beginning, not the change...not transformative in and of itself. Not even deep insights like Bernie supporters believed were self evident. It is too bad that evident rightness is not enough any more than voting is enough. But, social, cultural, political change - deep change - is worked upon and completed over generations. Not an election or two. I can fully understand wanting one's political reward right now. I totally get not wanting to collude so disengaging instead.  I remain an unaffiliated voter because i deeply want more than a two party Big Tent corporate system.  But, i vote. I don't stay home. I personally don't withdraw.  I start working on what else i CAN effect, like blogging here. I go vote and choose between Hell and high water because it is my empowerment to do so, if only to try and buy the next generation a little more time because i know this is not about me, but about us.

Comment by MV Neland on July 16, 2017 at 7:01pm

Just to add - it is a very big ask to expect African Americans to believe that a primarily liberal white voting bloc is really, really, really in the truest sense of the word "really," going to throw away their white privilege to try out a social/economic/ political experiment of including blacks as equals. The question is always a matter of degree, which is often waffly.  Plus, said privilege can always be picked back up given that the larger society is the one that awards it anyway. We need look no further than the 80's for that white rush away from the burdens and pains of creating social justice. So, trusting in a meritocracy where one might be able to make gradual improvements as an individual and group, which is what Big Tent Democrats offer, seems much more rational than going in with a disaffected breakaway group of egalitarians who have as yet no country or party...and whose realization of equality rests largely on a selfless act they have yet to publicly perform - toss away their not so egalitarian white privilege to create their just society. The irony is not lost on African Americans.

Deserved or not, the perspective for many is that those Sander supporters that did not help get tge lesser of two evils elected, the lesser with a far better track record of sippirting African American causes over her opponent wuth actrack tecird if unbridled exploitation and open disparagement of blacks...took their tender egos and white privilege and went home, leaving their black brothers and sisters to fend for themselves. Real politiks above purity. Damn, if blacks don't have that one down.  

The Republicans and Supreme Court removed all manner of black voter protections ahead the 2014 and 2016 elections.  The disengaged Bernie contingent saud "We don't care hiw bkacjs willcsyffer under Trump," operating on an undebated schema of false equivalencies and litmus tests one thought only the Rightwing suffered f

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