A Question About Elizabeth Warren's Call for Impeachment

So here's the question:

Is she correct in insisting that constitutional principles supersede.presidential politics?

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Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on April 20, 2019 at 7:19am

To answer your question, no.  Politics does NOT supersede the Constitution because without the Constitution there would not BE politics.

Saying that kills me...  I have a choice between seeing my own community & gender even more rigorously discriminated against, abused & made "illegal" and accepting a "lesser evil" named Trump.

As much as I hate it, I've got to agree with those that accuse Trump of being guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors” that are grounds for impeachment proceedings.  As Congresswoman Omar said, "Impeachment is part of our constitutional responsibility. We have an obligation to investigate whether the President committed impeachable offenses".

The Mueller Report clearly lays out repeated cases of campaign finance fraud, obstruction of justice, violations the Emoluments Clause, criminal collusion, abuse of power, IMO.  

BTW, though Warren's voice is noteworthy, I think it should be mentioned that AGAIN she is a day late on jumping on the band wagon... both Rashida Tlaib and lhan Omar called for basically the same thing a day before Warren.  If she wants to be considered a leader then she needs to freak'in lead.

P.S.  You know who are two of the most adamant and vocal opponents of Congress actually doing the duty the SWORE to do?  House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi!  Republicans apparently are not the only ones who are okay with ignoring the Constitution.  It's sickens me, and makes me hate the Democratic Party even more, when I and MANY others are willing to suffer a Pence led 21st century Inquisition so as to defend the Constitution, while Democrats are playing political bullshit games.

Comment by Anna Herrington on April 20, 2019 at 8:40am

I'd say yes, as much as I do not want Pence as president, all Constitutional principles must be adhered to over political positioning and leanings or we have lost the right to insist on *any* Constitional provision. Any erosion must be dealt with, as erosion doesn't disappear on its own, it only gets stronger/worse.

That said... Pence. UGGHH. I fear he will bring those principled conservatives that never trusted Trump as authentic, as well as those who have (finally) begun to mistrust Trump, running to elect Pence voluntarily in 2020 (and 2024?) if Trump were impeached.

Sadly, too many Repubs seem to have no principles concerning calling out what is lawful or not, principled or not - they're fine with subterfuge and shenanigans re Constitutional principles - they've lost their minds in greed and devotion to the Corrupted & Dastardly Turtle's (McConnell) way (among others) of doing things.... but we cannot all be lemmings, follow Pelosi's call to ignore high crimes and misdemeanors, and let the Constitution be damned. 

Comment by koshersalaami on April 20, 2019 at 9:36am

It has to be done. What matters is the process. Screw with the process and screw with our future. It is time to stop viewing this as a tactical decision and start viewing it as a legal one. Pelosi and Hoyer have no more right to avoid impeachment than McConnell had to fail to vet the Supreme Court nominee of a sitting President. 

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on April 20, 2019 at 9:48am

What's missing in Ms Warren's call is anything remotely like a strategy toward 67 Senate votes after the House acts.

While she and others may have a strategy, it'd be heartwarming to know that even w.o details, because the single event that could warp-speed us into fascism and move us far beyond the current tips of the hat to fascism we see weekly now, would be an impeachment vote in the House followed by a Senate acquittal.

At that point those arguing that the House gesture's important preserve our integrity and future...that will be moot and the nation as we have known it in its better eras will be gone and unlikely to be found.

Comment by Ron Powell on April 20, 2019 at 10:35am

The timing of Impechment proceedings would the critical factor in determining the outcome....

If the Dems could take the Senate during the next cycle, there would be a narrow window of opportunity in which the Senate could vote to find Trump guilty pursuant to articles of impeachment passed by the House....

A tall order to say the least....

Comment by Anna Herrington on April 20, 2019 at 10:44am

A strategy toward a win of course would be ideal, and crucial, yes, but - does ignoring the Constitution make a bit of sense if one is a believer in/subscriber to following Constitutional process and integrity? In keeping the basic tenets of how our government is meant to work? 

Ignore the Constitution and then 'the good guys' are just doing the eroding-of-our-values work for the criminals, pre-emptively. As we've known for awhile now with Pence sitting in the wings, catch-22.

I'd stick with the Constitution.

Comment by Maui Surfer on April 20, 2019 at 11:01am

My Dog where is the pragmatism? Since the Seditious Senate remains in place why would you let Drumpf pull a Clinton? The stupidity of this is nearly equaled by seeing that two evils lesserism is now suddenly OK when acknowledging it in the first place (Pragmatic!!!) would have prevented this assault on all things decent by a barbarous thug.

Comment by Anna Herrington on April 20, 2019 at 11:10am

If it's my opinion you're calling stupid, okay - I'll stand up. I hear you. I've been against impeachment all along while looking at Pence - right up until realizing we are leaving the principles of the Constitution in doing so when it's been clearly shown we have a criminal for a president, something obvious for ages but now it's in written results of even the redacted version of the Mueller report.

I'm all for pragmatic decisions, tell me how to stand by the Constitution - taking the long view in that is crucial for any and all - and how do we get rid of the criminals while doing so? If it stays in line with the principles/foundations of our government, I'm in.

Comment by Maui Surfer on April 20, 2019 at 11:18am

Actually, the thing to have done would be to select the Constitution Lover and Lesser Evil in the first place, which we did by 3 million votes- by standing on conviction only when convenient, even when the evidence clearly showed it had previously wracked the entire middle east and poured gas on terrorism, not to mention killing or displacing millions of innocents, well that convenience has come home to roost so until 'power' is in the hands of those following the Constitution and the old white men are all replaced it is a JOKE to pretend otherwise, a sick joke at that.

Comment by Maui Surfer on April 20, 2019 at 11:24am

BTW, thank you for a refreshing show of a spine, you remain consistent, good on you: and no, that was not directed towards you at all, but in fact only to those who, when the need was dire, were urged, begged, shouted to and even prayed over to do the right thing, but instead kept the conveniently stored blinders on with what are now obviously fair weather only beliefs and who now turn turtle as the noose of their own tying begins to tighten.

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