A Conversation About the Utility of Violence


N: Tildy just now almost caught another rat. She had it in her mouth but then it flopped around and went "meep" and got away
She didnt expect the meep
Or the flopping
But she is adjusting her tactics
We planted lettuces saturday and the rats ate half of em
So her work here is important
I've been reading all night about cameras. My first major purchase after paying L back several thousand $ is going to be a camera.
P: Chicken wire and liquid fence.
N: Liquid fence?
P: Spray it on the plants.
N: Ah
Will check it out
We're also going to install a solar-powered electric fence
For the fucking raccoons
P: Good for Tildy! She needs to learn the head shake
N: They keep gettin in the pond
P: Water is manna to racoons
N: She has the head shake down with her Hee-Haw, but these rats move so fast she's still stymied
Theyre fast
I'm torn between the Canon EOS Rebel T7i and the Canon D80
P: City rats
N: They are!
We live in the hood here for real
P: Have you been to a camera Store to play with them?
N: Not yet. I need to do that. Whichever of the two I decide on, I'm also gonna get a Panasonic Lumix FZ80
Its what they call a bridge camera
Way less expensive than a dslr but has a 60x zoom on it
P: Wow! You can get spy pictures
N: I can! Wildlife shots mostly, tho. And I gotta get a laptop, a assault rifle, and a compressor and nailgun, and a truck...
 
P: An assault rifle?
N: And a radial arm chopsaw and a Dewalt 20volt cordless drill and impact tool combo and some underwear
Yes
Im going to join the John Brown Gun Club
Aka, Redneck Revolt
They countermarch against Nazis etc
With guns
P: Sounds interesting
N: Leftists with guns. We need that, unfortunately
P: I'm not sure I agree, violence escalates. And Ghandi
MLK
N: Yes. Other people I've told this to have expressed similar reservations
P: Too many people carrying guns, someone's going to "fear for their life" and a lot of people will die
Then martial law
N: But, I have long been a proponent of "Peace, love and understanding or I'll cap your ass."
Its my nature
They threaten violence
Pacifism wont fix shit
P: The exact thing the paramilitary says they are keeping guns to avoid is going to happen because they have guns
N: Maybe
But they keep stockpiling guns, so wht shouldnt leftists?
 
P: What do you think the end result will be?
N: I dont know
Its scary out there
I no longer recognize our country
P: They stockpile guns because they're afraid
I no longer recognize the world
Too many people
And because they want to enforce their will on others
N: That's the whole problem
Fear = aggression
P: Education cancels fear
N: We are vicious, cannibalistic, overly intelligent primates
Yes, true
And education is viewed as anathema in this country
So what do you do?
P: I share knowledge where I can and hope to trigger doubt. It's a losing battle but it's all I got
And I avoid demonstrations because I'm too hot headed.
N: That is a good strategy. But when I look at the way fascism has exploded since Trumps election I feel the need to do something concrete about it
Im sick of talking
Ya know?
P: Convince the apathetic non voters to vote
N: Action
P: Start a political blog on a site that people read
You'd be a great rabble rouser
N: Ignorance and selfishness and fear are seen as virtues now. 
Ah... Yes I would!
P: Convince the people who don't vote because they think it's useless that it's not
N: That is a big part of what Redneck Revolt tries to do
Its not just about guns
It's about creating a dialogue outside the fascist narrative
P: And show the fraidy cats that their guns show them up as cowards
Dialogue with guns isn't going to change anything
N: And to offer people who are justifiably pissed off and afraid that there is an alternative to fascism
Thats the John Brown Gun Club
P: Why do they need guns?
The pen is mightier than the sword
N: To countermarch against fascists with guns
P: And someone will start shooting
N: Something fascists in this country do is assume that the left are a bunch of tofu eating, overly intellectual navel-gazers
P: Guns won't change that
N: The fascists need to be disabused of that notion
P: So toss cabers.
Do extreme fighting
N: They need to understand that violence will meet reciprocal violence
P: Ok. Just don't shoot any civilians
N: "You got guns? Well, so do we motherfuckers."
No, never
 
P: I see nothing but bad from this. My fascist co-worker believes that liberals need to give up their guns so he can be safe.
N: He is full of shit
P: He would absolutely shoot if faced with a scary liberal with a gun
N: Shoot or shit?
Fuck him
P:I know he's full of shit. He's also an ass who believes in the conservative way as the only way.
N: Fuck all of the MAGA-cap-wearing fucktards
And the Chee-To they rode in on
P: I agree. But carrying a gun to one of their rallies is a bad idea. Right now they look like idiots because they are pointing guns at unarmed counter protesters. If you show up with guns they will use it as proof that they need to escalate
N: Theyve done about wore my patience out
P: Which is why I think you need to use words
People read what you write
N: When they point guns at unarmed people they win. Hence the Redneck Revolt
P: No they don't win. They lose. Just like the cops lose when they shoot unarmed people
N: In rural areas fascist Nazi fucks are intimidating people
P: I know, I live there
N: ts getting worse all the time
P: But I have chosen to not be intimidated
They lose if they shoot
N: Leftists, and just decent people generally, stay away when the KKK comes to town
Fuck that
P: It's a face off
N: It needs to be
Face off or stay home
P: People didn't stay away from Charlottesville
And the counter protesters didn't carry guns
N: And what happened? A woman is dead and theyre charging that one black dude who was beat bloody by Nazis with assault
Charging HIM with assault
P: And the next few right wing rallies didn't happen because they knew they lost
Mass counter protest works
Why didn't anyone help the black guy?
 
N: Because he was a black guy
P: And I need to get up, I'm going to be late to work.
 
N: Ah
Of course you do
Sorry
Ranting
P: Rant away, just share it with the world
N: Drive safe to work, have an excellent day
P: You, too

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Comment by nanatehay on October 16, 2017 at 9:35pm

I considered calling this post Gush & Blush Part 7, but decided to go with violence instead

Comment by nanatehay on October 16, 2017 at 11:53pm

Is it wrong if I Like my own post? I never quite learned the answer to that question back at OS, so bite me I guess

Comment by nanatehay on October 16, 2017 at 11:59pm

Someone way smarter than me once said, "Freedom's just another word for nothin left to lose, and freedom don't mean nothin if it ain't free"

Comment by Phyllis on October 17, 2017 at 12:25am

Janis is awesome.

 

Comment by koshersalaami on October 17, 2017 at 4:57am

I don't Like my own posts, even when I like them. If no one likes them, I Live with that.

Generally speaking, violence is for the verbally incompetent. However, verbal only works if it reaches an audience. 

Heather Heyer did way more damage to the Right than if she'd lived. 

 

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on October 17, 2017 at 5:34am

I've got real mixed emotions on this subject.  Having weapons present in a confrontational environment increases the likelihood of violence by a few gazillion percents, but the violence will be reduced if their is the belief of "mutually assured destruction".   Dog knows the police not only won't help you,  but VERY often side with the Nazis and Klan.

P.S.   Saying that "Heather Heyer did way more damage to the Right than if she'd lived." is considering her as an expendable tool.  She was a living, breathing, motherfucking human being, you asshole.   How dare you imply her murder is some sort of positive.

Comment by Ron Powell on October 17, 2017 at 6:08am

It is my firm belief that when there's a dispute of any kind, the first party to threaten or offer to do violence is the one who has lost the argument.

Re Gush and Blush Part VII, Be my guest if/when you can finish parts II thru VI.

Comment by Ron Powell on October 17, 2017 at 6:09am

@Kosh; "...violence is for the verbally incompetent..."

To that I would add: " ...and the intellectually challenged..."

Comment by Ron Powell on October 17, 2017 at 6:40am

@Amy;  I grew up being taught and thinking that only Christians, Catholics in particular,  had something positive to gain from the death/murder of innocent people....

Martyrs, as they are called, are romanticized and idolized in liturgical literature and pop culture....

Holywood made a fortune off the sword and sandal epics which featured either the Crucifixion of Jesus or the slaughter of early Christians....

Making martyrdom desirable and preferable to living in sin or slavery.

Self sacrifice sells at the box office faster than drugs on the corner....

It is one of the "values" maintained  and manipulated by the ruling class to control and influence the process of subjugation of the unwashed, unlettered and unschooled masses who are taught to die for their God and their country and for someone else's benefit and profit...

We venerate soldiers and first responders as though their deaths confer upon them some kind of special status as preternatural beings....

 

Comment by Arthur James on October 17, 2017 at 6:55am

`
SQUARE DAY.
LOTS TO PONDER.
IT A BRAIN TEASE
IF YOU CRAWL UNDER
AN ELECTRIC FENCE
DO A REASL LOW
BELLY CRAWL.I ECALL
AS A KID (NOT GOAT)
I FELT SUCH A HEAD
WACK I SWEAR I THOUGHT
A COW KICKED ME.
`
THREE CATHOLICS
IN 3RD GRADE DEBATE
WHAT NUNS IN NOTRA
DAME BLACK
HABITS ARE DOOMED
& PREDESTINED TO
HELL.
`
I THINK IF YOU EVER
WITNESSED YOUR HOME
ON FIRE AFTER A THE
AMY BIRDHDAY CAKE
CANDLE CATCHES HOUSE
ON FIRE...YOU"S RECALL
SOLDIRS WHO WERE DRAFTED
& HATE VIOLENCE. THE FIRMAN
ARE HEROIC FIRST RESPONDERS.
350,000 GI('S WERE DRAFTED.
MY DRAFT RECORS WEREW AT
CATONSVILLE, MD. I VISITED
PHIL BERRIGAN AS SOON AS I
GOT A MEDICAL LEAVE FROM
FORT MEAD ARMY HOSPITAL.
I THANKED HIM & STILL
RECALL TEA & HOW
MUCH HE EXHIBITED CARE
COMPASSION. I SHOWED HIM
MY UGLY WAR LEGS. HE
SMILED & SAID: "YOUR
NEVER GONNA WIN A
BEAUTY LLEG CONTEST.
LEGS STILL FLOP ME
HOME. THEY WERE GONNA
CHOP OFF BOTH LOWER
LIMBS. DOCS CALL YA'A
LOWER CALF LEGS (MOO?
LOWER LIMBS. NO GO
TO WAR...
GADS
MEMORIES

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