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Comment by Ron Powell on November 3, 2018 at 7:08am

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

The real problem is the millions of Trump supporters, followers, and adherents, who won't go away after he's gone...

He has managed to rejuvenate open displays of racism and antisemitism by not just enabling, but encouraging those who would engage in violent manifestatios of bigotry and hate....

I'm afraid that what we're witnessing more than a "trend". It's a resurfacing of a way of life for a significant portion of the population that won't disappear until they do....

Comment by koshersalaami on November 3, 2018 at 7:19am

Yes. He has made open bigotry OK. He has legitimized it. 

Comment by Maui Surfer on November 3, 2018 at 8:35am

Drumpf the Fake Swede and Confederate Yankee seditious traitor is nothing but a long look in AmeriKKKa's mirror at itself. For those of you who were not there before, who aren't Eisenhower kids and who never had to worry about being conscripted ... welcome to what we've protected you from, with our blood and guts, for fifty years. Now, you are first hand witnesses to the last dying gasps of the Nixon and George Wallace Voters. They are the descendants of the paranoid haters and effete Cavaliers. They are scum, and must be made to understand, before they die and whither away for good, that IT IS THEY WHO ARE THE "MINORITIES" in this country, which is still the apple of the world's eye, despite them and their HATING ways.

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on November 3, 2018 at 9:29am

Bigotry's always been accepted here and it's been par of our legislative and social fabric from jump. Good leadership tends to keep it in relative check; this leadership class promotes it.

Comment by Tom Cordle on November 3, 2018 at 1:38pm

Jonathan has it right – whether it was the Native American holocaust, or slavery, this nation was born of bigotry and worse. "All men are created equal", except red men, black men, brown men, yellow men, and ALL women. I guess that's what they mean by American Exceptionalism.

Comment by koshersalaami on November 3, 2018 at 1:56pm

What, you think America is exceptionally bigoted? No. It’s normal pretty much everywhere. 

Comment by Tom Cordle on November 4, 2018 at 8:09am

@Ks – is America exceptionally bigoted? Well, you might ask that question of black US soldiers, who were stationed in France in WWII. Or you might ask Poles who were slaughtered by Russians in the same war. I suspect you'd get a very different answer. Personally, I don't think America is exceptionally bigoted. What I object to is Americans somehow thinking they are above the rest of the world on every positive count.

There's a reason the book The Ugly American was a huge success, and having traveled abroad some, I cannot attest that Americans have earned that unsavory reputation. That's not to say all Americans behave like boors, certainly not, but there certainly are a lot of bad apples in the barrel, based on my experience abroad.

Comment by koshersalaami on November 4, 2018 at 8:34am

No, America is not exceptionally bigoted 

Comment by Ron Powell on November 4, 2018 at 11:43am

If you take the true meaning of America's creed, that "all men are created equal",  into consideration, then one might argue that America is either exceptionally bigoted or, that America is exceptionally hypocritical. 

Comment by koshersalaami on November 4, 2018 at 1:25pm

Exceptionally hypocritical, yes. Exceptionally bigoted, no. Extreme bigotry happens all over the world. 

But when judging that sort of hypocrisy, be careful. One thing it means is that many Americans have extra grounds on which to oppose bigotry. Another is that those who are bigoted have to go through some cognitive dissonance to get there, and such an obstacle is a good thing because sometimes it can be made to carry enough weight to convert a person. 

But the main reason to be careful is that some will view that hypocrisy as an equal or greater sin than the bigotry itself. Where that leads is not holding despots up to the same standards because they don’t claim any better; i.e. leaders can ethically be oppressive as long as they don’t claim not to be. Bullshit. Oppression is oppression. Anyone I know would rather live under a partially oppressive hypocritical system than a non-hypocritical seriously oppressive system. Ultimately the biggest crime is who you hurt and how much. 


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