The NFL bears about the same resemblance to “Football” as “professional” wrestling bears to collegiate wrestling. (Which is about the same as collegiate wrestling bears to warfare, or an actual fight)

Which is to say, almost none whatsoever.

The NFL is a form of entertainment. Bread and Circuses. The entertainers Are free to do whatever they think will further their entertainment value.

The people who pay to watch their antics are free to decide that they aren't entertained and turn their attention (and their consumer dollars) to other forms of entertainment.

In short? Of course the NFL has a “Right” to pull a “Charlie Sheen”

and it's audience will go watch NASCAR....

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Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on September 26, 2017 at 11:44am

The entertainers Are free to do whatever they think will further their entertainment value.

They also have the right to lock arms and/or take a knee in protest of the grave injustices perpetrated against people of color by the police, regardless of what racists like you might try to make them do.

So this season I, a devout Bears fan, will mostly tune in to watch the teams like the Patriots, Jaguars, Steelers, Seahawks, Titans, Browns, Broncos and Dolphins (not the Cowboys...  I hate them just too much and I don't believe Jones one little bit) that took part/will take part in the protest.

I will also tune into any NASCAR race that has "Junior" Earnhardt in it (sorry, Danica).  The rest of them are just as bigoted and racist as you are.

Comment by Token on September 26, 2017 at 12:14pm

you probably also are a big Charlie Sheen fan....... isn't going to help the bottom line enough to balance out all the rednecks you despise losing interest in watching millionaires hold temper tantrums.

The basic problem is that they've chosen the wrong way to express their protest. If someone decided that they wanted to protest the killing of cops by, say, tearing down statues of Martin Luther King..... would that help their cause? Nope.

This isn't seen as a protest of Black problems, it's seen as disrespect for our nation and all those who have served our nation in the military. That the protesters are not able to recognize that that is what they are doing is really a shame...they may mean well, but they are in the end simply driving away their audience.

you're welcome to watch the bears as long as they exist... don't count on anyone building them a new stadium anytime soon.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on September 26, 2017 at 12:31pm

...millionaires hold temper tantrums.

Like I said, you're a racist and a bigot.  No one else would classify Black men risking their careers to stand up to police brutality a "temper tantrum".

BTW, "What it is isn't..." is anything to do with disrespecting the flag and/or the military.  You bigots need to try a different excuse.  That one just ain't flying (seeing as how most vets I've read would think you are full of shit).

P.S.  Nice plagiarism of Joe Walsh's racist tweet, token.  You haters circulating "talking points" now?

Comment by Token on September 26, 2017 at 1:01pm

Like I said, you are one of the biggest pus filled pockets of hate around here, Amy. Own it.

Put your posters up in your own blog.

Time will tell whether the "protest" is interpreted as "Standing up to police brutality" or "Disrespecting the flag"........ You and I individually have very little to do with ti. Having actually played football for about 10 years, and having known people who played pro football ( granted , back in the '70's) I have a basis for saying that Pro Football is not football, it's an entertainment franchise. That you choose to watch is neither here nor there. What will matter is the fans who actually played the game and/or served in the military, deciding that they can get their football fix on Saturday, or even Friday nights.

Football is a substitute for combat. It teaches one how to channel and use ones anger and aggression. Obviously, You've never played the game. One of thew reasons you are such a pustule of hate.

Comment by koshersalaami on September 26, 2017 at 2:28pm


Having a temper tantrum about what?

We're old enough to have seen guys burning flags in  protest. These guys aren't even flipping the flag the bird, they're taking knees. As protests go, this mode is unusually respectful. 

The problem among those of you who object to this is not the mode of protest, it's the existence of protest. These guys are supposed to just be grateful while police departments get carte blanche to single out minorities for abuse and worse. 

What vets would tell you is that they fought to allow these guys the continued freedom to take a knee. 

We have at least two combat vets on the site. Maybe you should ask them. Rodney and Steel Breeze. 

Comment by Token on September 26, 2017 at 3:04pm


What makes you think I "Object" to the players taking a knee? Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

I haven't watched pro football since the seventies, when I knew people who played on the Bengals. They KNEW they were playing to a fan base and enjoyed playing anyway. IT"S ENTERTAINMENT. When I want to watch football, I go see the Fairborn Skyhawks of a Friday night.

It doesn't matter what the players think they are doing, it matters what they are perceived as doing, by their fan base.

Personally? I don't have to ask the combat vets on oursalon, I'm "embedded" with a whole town of air force active duty and (vets), plus my family and friends. Opinions vary, but the opinion I hear most is exactly that it's a bunch of millionaires throwing a tantrum. as I said to Amy, time will tell whether the NFL stays a viable entertainment franchise or not.

The POINT being that this has NOTHING to do with their "RIGHT" to do anything. The question is whether it's a good career move.

So far results are mixed.

As an aside, I am of the opinion that Blacks ARE unduly targeted by police..... I DID something about it last fall by arranging for Black Lives matter to picket Wright State for the Presidential debates... Resulting in the cancellation of the debates and Beavercreek (The scene of the murder of John Crawford) taking a ten million dollar hit on investments it made in anticipation of the debate.

I therefore take offense at being labeled a bigot by such a little pustule of hate as Amy. (Of course, that's like taking offense to the opinion of a flea, but hey, sometimes it's fun to be petty)

Comment by koshersalaami on September 28, 2017 at 6:25am

Some general military opinionsto add to those you've heard

I know what tantrums look like. This isn't it. It's not loud, emotional, visibly angry or even rude. It's simple, quiet, and damned dignified for a "tantrum."

Sometimes Americans have to be told, in ways conspicuous enough for us to notice, that this country is falling short of its own ideals, and that this falling short matters. 

Let's call football players "entertainers." That's accurate. Professional sports is entertainment. A lot of professional athletes have a lot of people look up to them, rightly or wrongly. If they see an issue damaging to their country and choose to publicize that, more power to them. As a consumer, you have the option of shutting your television set. 

As a career move, I don't think it is one. Kapaernick's career would be better off at the moment if he hadn't done this. 

Thank you for what you did at White Straight. (My wife's family is from the neighborhood - I know the school's nickname.)

Speaking of ineffective, I'm curious what result you expect from calling someone a "postule of hate." "You know, Token, you're absolutely right about me. I am a posture of hate and never noticed that before. I'll endeavor to improve my behavior at your wise recommendation. Thank you from the bottom of my heart." Uh, well, as someone who would prefer you survived, I'll advise you not to hold your breath. 

You'd be better off taking a knee.

Comment by Token on September 28, 2017 at 11:36am


It's “pustule”

pustule (n.)
late 14c., from Old French pustule (13c.) and directly from Latin pustula "blister, pimple," from PIE imitative root *pu- (1) "blow, swell," on notion of "inflated area" (source also of Sanskrit pupphusah "lung," Greek physa "breath, blast, wind, bubble," Lithuanian puciu "to blow, swell," Old Church Slavonic puchati "to blow"). Compare emphysema. Related: Pustulant; pustular.

You come in late to this last little dustup with our Amy. She has been persistent in her calling on me to “Own” being a Racist, Bigot, HATER, etc. . with her usual anger plus delightful posters.... I've simply pointed out to her that the consistent volcanic spreader of explosive hatred (rather like an explosion of pus) is herself. Hence, a PUSTULE of hatred. She can't deny it. You can't deny it. You want a HATER? There's our Amy.

Calling her out as a PUSTULE of HATE is no more than a moments droll venture into the use of accurately descriptive language. Personally, I once came here and to Open Salon FOR the use and critique of Language. Thanks to the ever present simmering HATRED of Amy and others like her, there is no longer any chance of that.

As far as the “take a Knee protest “ in the NFL? I don't watch pro football to begin with, but as entertainers, when 60% of your audience (according to the Wall street journal) doesn't understand your “protest” (eg 60% of the audience takes the “protest” as disrespect for the flag and the military) then you might want to rethink your actions, rather than double down on them by insulting your fans for “not getting it”

I played sports until I was no longer able to because of physical problems, I have no interest in watching them. The whole mess is, for me, an SEP (Somebody Else's Problem)

What it isn't, is Football.

Comment by nanatehay on September 28, 2017 at 1:14pm

Kosh - you may as well try to talk to a canned ham as talk to committed racists like Token. Here he is on a post titled What it is isn't football admitting that he doesn't even care about football, which makes you wonder, what is it then that has him so exercised?  Every time they're faced with a conversation about racial inequality, your slightly less overt bigots like good ol' "I'm No Racist!" Token here will claim they have no problem with the conversation, except...  And therein lies the rub, because that one little 2-syllable word speaks volumes about what they're really thinking. "I don't mind protests, except when they disrespect [insert veterans, anthem, white culture, Scarlet O'Hara, or a piece of colored cloth here].  I don't mind protests, except I don't believe that entrenched, systemic racism is any longer a serious problem in this country. I don't mind protests except this isn't the right place or the right time or the right message or the right people." There is always an except or a whole raft of 'em from the Tokens out there on every single occasion the topic of racism comes up, and hoping that they might just for once actually listen to and hear what some of our fellow citizens are trying to tell us about their lives instead of dismissing their voices with except is about the same as hoping for pigs to fly to the moon.  

Comment by moki ikom on September 28, 2017 at 2:44pm

As i remember years ago the pledge of allegiance 'required' one to put one's right hand on one's chest outside the proximity of one's heart.  Standing motionless for national anthem, hands down at one's waiste was how our nationalist indoctrination taught us to behave.  Prayers before class in public school never caught on much but pledging allegiance to flag every morning is still standard lesson plan stuff in elementary school which can lead one to ask why, why are primary school kids 'required' to pledge allegiance to the u.s. of a flag and the republican oligarchy for which it stands? every morning?  Not even u.s. soldiers pledge their allegiance daily to the flag of one indivisible nation under God with liberty for the rich and justUS for all. 


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