‘ we have no place else to go ’

‘we have no place else to go.’ 

"with that 'we' should be satisfied with what 'we' have stolen and just surrender our militancy and arrogance unto our belief and the international community as represented through the United Nations that mankind, like "us", is inherently good, forego calling this place what we'd like and become decent, human-loving beings who pray that those against whom 'we' have transgressed forgive 'us' and let Us all work together to show the world how Hell can, only by the hand of man (believing in one or more god or not), be transformed to Heaven on Earth. "

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-- “I’ll never forget talking to (Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir) in her office with her assistant—a guy named Rabin—about the Six-Day War,” he said. “The end of the meeting, we get up and walk out, the doors are open, and … the press is taking photos … She looked straight ahead and said, ‘Senator, don’t look so sad … Don’t worry. We Jews have a secret weapon.’”

He said he asked her what that secret weapon was.

“I thought she was going to tell me something about a nuclear program,” Biden continued. “She looked straight ahead and she said, ‘We have no place else to go.’” He paused, and repeated: “‘We have no place else to go.’”

“Folks,” he continued, “there is no place else to go, and you understand that in your bones. You understand in your bones that no matter how hospitable, no matter how consequential, no matter how engaged, no matter how deeply involved you are in the United States … there’s only one guarantee. There is really only one absolute guarantee, and that’s ..." http://ow.ly/L3PI1 @salon.com

Burning Palestinian Olive Trees - fire set by Israeli Settlers.

At one time the Jewish community had fierce proponents of justice in their pulpits. Then a strange thing happened. The date usually given is June 1967, the 6 Day War when Israel easily defeated the Egyptian army. Of course the Israeli government, as it usually did and continues to do, prepped the people and the docile public that this would be a fight to the finish, little Israel (always David, not Goliath) was fighting for its survival. It was never the case and was best explained by Mordecai Benton a Knessert member on April 14,1971 :

“The entire story of the extermination was invented in every detail and exaggerated a posterior to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.”

General Matti Peled who was the chief of Logistical Command during the war agreed: the thesis according to which Israel was fighting for her survival was nothing but a bluff which was born and bred after the war….

Israel was never in real danger and there was no evidence that Egypt had any intention of attacking Israel”.

Well Jewish pride exploded all over the world. The bigger story however was the steady erosion of Judaism in favour of rabid Zionist national values. This was also the beginning of the so-called religious Zionism, a movement which arrived just in time as political Zionism was beginning to lose its lustre and its moral steam—because the world began to finally understand that the dark underbelly was the oppression of another people, the Palestinians whose lands were stolen and were living in misery in refugee camps. --http://www.unjppi.org/christian-zionism.html

...The corruption of Judaism, as a religion of universal values, through its politicization by Zionism and by the replacement of dedication to Israel for dedication to God and the moral law, is what has alienated so many young Americans who, searching for spiritual meaning in life, have found little in the organized Jewish community.” Having witnessed the war on Lebanon (2006) and three punishing assaults on the civilians of Gaza Brownfeld wrote in 2014, ”What we are witnessing today, synagogues flying Israeli flags, programs urging American Jews to immigrate to Israel, their real homeland, is a form of idolatry, making the sovereign state of Israel the object of worship, rather than God. 

IDF armored  Zionazi garden of Eden tool .  Caterpillar D9R Israeli Offense Forces I0F bulldozer

Zionazi neighborhood "remodeling"

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"The Zionist vision was born out of the total rejection of this caricature. Jews would cease dealing in stocks and shares and money-lending. Jews would till the land with the sweat of their brow, do productive manual work, reject all kinds of parasitic speculations. This was considered such a high ideal that it justified even the displacement of the indigenous Arab population.

And here we are, a state following the orders of an international casino mogul whose line of business is perhaps the most unproductive in the cosmos. Sad.

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Congress needs to stand up for American people’s interest over Netanyahu’s
By Roland Nikles

Hundreds of Israelis join protest to save Bedouin village on brink of demolition

IsrealHell/Palestine 

Allison Deger on July 24, 2015  http://ow.ly/Q5aXD

 - See more at: mondoweiss.net/2015/07/hundreds-israelis-demolition 

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...24Nov2015 \/

“Dialogue” isn’t enough to address the Israel-Palestine issue: Another prominent academic organization endorses a boycott of Israeli institutions and support of BDS

The American Anthropological Association has taken up BDS as a human rights issue DAVID PALUMBO-LIU TUESDAY, NOV 24, 2015 02:57

This past Friday, the American Anthropological Association, with more than 10,000 members, became the largest U.S. academic organization to endorse a boycott of Israeli institutions and to affirm the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement at an annual meeting. The resolution will be voted on by the full membership this spring. The results of the vote on Friday — 1,040 for, 136 against ... Notably, another resolution, critical of Israel but condemning a boycott on the grounds that it amounted to a “refusal to engage in a productive dialogue,” failed spectacularly, with just 196 in favor as compared to 1,173 against.

These two resolutions clearly stake out the two major options for academics and non-academics alike who are concerned about the Israeli occupation and the policies of the State of Israel with regard to the Palestinians. ...

The key thing to stress is that BDS is not against dialogue based on an ethical commitment to rights; it is, however, against the false and unethical kind of dialogue that ignores or downplays legitimate claims for rights and in so doing simply creates alibis for the perpetuation of inequality. This distinction holds true whether we are talking about discussions between heads of states, or between artists, writers, scholars and students.

Since the AAA vote has dramatically articulated these two opposing positions with regard to the capacity of “dialogue” to address the issue of Israel-Palestine, it is critical to be aware of what BDS actually is and what it offers. For it is the single most powerful and effective nonviolent force working for one of the most important human rights causes in the world.

At its base BDS is in fact a human rights movement:

On July 9 2005, a year after the International Court of Justice’s historic advisory opinion on the illegality of Israel’s Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), a clear majority of Palestinian civil society called upon their counterparts and people of conscience all over the world to launch broad boycotts, implement divestment initiatives, and to demand sanctions against Israel, until Palestinian rights are recognised in full compliance with international law. ...

The campaign for boycotts, divestment and sanctions (BDS) is shaped by a rights-based approach and highlights the three broad sections of the Palestinian people: the refugees, those under military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and Palestinians in Israel.

The call urges various forms of boycott against Israel until it meets its obligations under international law by:

Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling the Wall;

Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality;

and Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.

The BDS call was endorsed by more than 170 Palestinian political parties, organizations, trade unions and movements. The signatories represent the refugees, Palestinians in the OPT, and Palestinian citizens of Israel.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/24/dialogue_isnt_enough_to_address_the...

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Comment by JMac1949 Today on April 1, 2015 at 8:04am

R&L ;-)

Comment by moki ikom on April 3, 2015 at 1:55pm

"Jews were persecuted for centuries in Europe, culminating in a genocide." --myriad

Myriad,  the past five centuries of European imperialism and colonialism are by definition systemically capitalistic, hedonistic, predatory, persecutorial, genocidally profiteering ideologies manifested in self-obsessed, privileged minorities and their sychophants showering themselves in gluttonous abandon provided sustenance through elitists' economic,  militaristic  governing and ruling over others.  Industrialized genocide and land/resource “annexation”/thievery climaxed in 19th century u.s. America as virtually all the the bounty of centuries of war crimes and perpetrations of inhumanity on mankind aggregating to banks, depositories and institutions of euroamerican capitalists. 

Until after ww1, Ashkinazim europeans were no more exceptional for, no more disproportionately represented by, their members being persecuted by non-Ashkinazim than were being persecuted other minorities, non-Ashkinazim all … non-Ashkinazim persecuting non-Ashkenazim (i.e., Jewry was not an issue), in their respective european, american monarchies, plutarchies, oligarchies and dictatorships.

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on April 3, 2015 at 3:48pm

what it means, what Meir meant, is that Jews came to understand, finally, that we have nowhere else bc

w.o self reliance, w.o a land, there is no such thing as counting on the good graces, whims, good intentions, temporary good economic times, what-have-you...

that there is no choice for Jews, if we are to survive, but to have a homeland of our own to defend bc no place else has been a secure home...

and after the '30s and 40s, if others don't understand or want to understand ...  that's ok...

we will do what's necessary to survive as a people on our own...and that cannot happen in nations that see themselves as "hosts" to Jews...

bc it's an unreliable plan...proven wholly unreliable...

so Zionism is a necessity if Jews are to survive...

now...some may not wish Jews to survive...and they are many...but this, history of Jews in 'host' nations..

...is why Jews must have a homeland..

...and if a person argues against Jews surviving, s/he need just say so and be straight about it.

See:  those who think we don't understand that they don't want Jews to survive while they tells us they're fine w us ... just not with Zionism...they are kidding themselves...but they are not kidding us.

And no need to bother w criticism of this or that Israeli PM or GVT...bc anti-Zionists never care ho the PM is (tho I do):  anti-Zionists want no Israel...and in every 

practical

way imaginable, that means, given the "host nations fallacy" and how swiftly Jew-hating moves from idea to action regardless of which party is 'in' in Israel...

Zionism is a survivalist manual.

Again, if people think Jews need not survive, they should have the sac to say it.

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on April 3, 2015 at 4:04pm

I should have prefacd the above by sayong that it is the lingering, ironic triumph of racialist antiSemitism, invented by the Nazis, that seals it...bc whether the animus was originally religious (convert or get out), political (het out), racial anti-semitism says  stay/leave...that's all one:  Jews are biologically inferior, are a (base) race, and must be eliminated. The Third Reich lost: every Jew knows ...as do many non-Jews know...that Racialist anti-Semitism still is part.parcel of all anti-Jewish sentiment.

Comment by Hannu Virtanen on April 4, 2015 at 1:44am

I think that this what is going on now is about Americans' realationship with Israel. There is less and less 'unconditional' support for Israel nowadays in America. Similar things going on in Europe, but Israel isn't much dependent on European countries. 

Comment by moki ikom on April 4, 2015 at 2:13am

Jonathan writes: "what it means, what Meir meant, is that Jews came to understand, finally, that we have nowhere else" to go

Jon, one does need to know everyone who says he is jew to know that a prime minister of ersatz israel does not speak for all jews who are either in or not in israel, israeli or not israeli. In the same way neither do you so speak with your “we have no where else to go”: first, as i just noted, your “we” regarding jewry is similarly specious to zionist prime ministers, exemplified best by the one that just recently won reelection war-mongering in D.C., fear-mongering and race-baiting at home; second, how is israeli exploitation of lebensraum so different from the german third reich, that the latter was internationally prosecuted while the former is permissible because “we had no where else to go” which is virtually indistinguishable from “we had to nuke iran because no one else was going to”?

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Jonathan: "w.o self reliance, w.o a land, there is no such thing as counting on the good graces, whims, good intentions, temporary good economic times, what-have-you…”

Jon, who’s to disagree with that wisdom? Not me. Not indigenous peoples of Palestine, the Americas or the Pacific.   

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Jonathan: "that there is no choice for Jews, if we are to survive, but to have a homeland of our own to defend bc no place else has been a secure home” 

Wow Jon, that's surprising,,  “…Jews have a homeland to defend, no place else has been a secure home”? Some Israeli jewry has their prime minister make paranoic speeches in the U.S. Capitol because their homeland is made secure or not secure or insecurable by "Defending homeland” with offensive forces?  Jews who lived throughout the Middle East up to and through ww2 were secure, they were not persecuted as in Europe at the time. 

Were Middle East Jews, non-Ashkinazim virtually all, in the beginning of the twentieth century, asked the name of their homeland, are you suggesting they would answer something to the effect “I don’t have a homeland, I am a Jew and I have reason to fear for my life living among Islamic peoples. I do not feel secure.” ?

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Jonathan: "and after the '30s and 40s, if others don't understand or want to understand ...  that's ok…” 

Don't understand or don’t want to understand what exactly? Perhaps that  nuclear armed Israel can tell the IAEA to kiss militant zionism’s ass, but Iran --and anyone else zionazi would as soon "wipe off the face of the earth” as live with in the same neighborhood-- should invite the IAEA into their home as they would family.

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 Jon: "we will do what's necessary to survive as a people on our own...and that cannot happen in nations that see themselves as ‘hosts' to Jews…”

Survive “on our own” without the West? without the U.S.?  Who are some "nations that see themselves as ‘hosts' to Jews”?  The U.S.? Denmark? England?

How do you know someone is a Jew without them telling you so?  When someone who says she is a jew but is opposed to zionism do you assume she just doesn’t understand zionism? Tell her that to hate zionism is to hate jews?

Comment by moki ikom on April 4, 2015 at 2:49am

Hannu, I think you're right about Americans' relationship with Israel, but, there's a long way to go before Americans can grasp even half of just how bad they've been had Israel.  American's in general are too self-obsessed to be bothered by much, to willing to be deceived by mainstream faux news.

Comment by Hannu Virtanen on April 4, 2015 at 5:03am

I think that Obama and some others  in his administration are now serious with the negotiations with Iran. And people like Biden and Netanyahu don't like it much.

Comment by Hannu Virtanen on April 4, 2015 at 5:58am

I think that it isn't necessary for all 'groups' of people to have 'a homeland'. And actually it isn't very cleat what 'a homeland' actually means.

The idea of 'the nation state' was born in Europe (I mean: the idea itself, even if best examples of 'nation states can nowadays be found elesewhere)  for some time ago and nowadays the world is changing. Even in Europe the idea of 'a nation state', what it means, has always been quite vague and almost all of European states have been in fact multilingual and multicultural in other respects, too.

Please see the wikipedia article here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state

Comment by Myriad on April 4, 2015 at 8:01am

I don't understand your response to my comment. Sounds like English is not your native language. But you seem to be saying that Jews in Europe didn't suffer any more than other peoples and at the same time were complicit in Euro imperialism. I disagree with your reading of history.

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