‘ we have no place else to go ’

‘we have no place else to go.’ 

"with that 'we' should be satisfied with what 'we' have stolen and just surrender our militancy and arrogance unto our belief and the international community as represented through the United Nations that mankind, like "us", is inherently good, forego calling this place what we'd like and become decent, human-loving beings who pray that those against whom 'we' have transgressed forgive 'us' and let Us all work together to show the world how Hell can, only by the hand of man (believing in one or more god or not), be transformed to Heaven on Earth. "

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-- “I’ll never forget talking to (Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir) in her office with her assistant—a guy named Rabin—about the Six-Day War,” he said. “The end of the meeting, we get up and walk out, the doors are open, and … the press is taking photos … She looked straight ahead and said, ‘Senator, don’t look so sad … Don’t worry. We Jews have a secret weapon.’”

He said he asked her what that secret weapon was.

“I thought she was going to tell me something about a nuclear program,” Biden continued. “She looked straight ahead and she said, ‘We have no place else to go.’” He paused, and repeated: “‘We have no place else to go.’”

“Folks,” he continued, “there is no place else to go, and you understand that in your bones. You understand in your bones that no matter how hospitable, no matter how consequential, no matter how engaged, no matter how deeply involved you are in the United States … there’s only one guarantee. There is really only one absolute guarantee, and that’s ..." http://ow.ly/L3PI1 @salon.com

Burning Palestinian Olive Trees - fire set by Israeli Settlers.

At one time the Jewish community had fierce proponents of justice in their pulpits. Then a strange thing happened. The date usually given is June 1967, the 6 Day War when Israel easily defeated the Egyptian army. Of course the Israeli government, as it usually did and continues to do, prepped the people and the docile public that this would be a fight to the finish, little Israel (always David, not Goliath) was fighting for its survival. It was never the case and was best explained by Mordecai Benton a Knessert member on April 14,1971 :

“The entire story of the extermination was invented in every detail and exaggerated a posterior to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.”

General Matti Peled who was the chief of Logistical Command during the war agreed: the thesis according to which Israel was fighting for her survival was nothing but a bluff which was born and bred after the war….

Israel was never in real danger and there was no evidence that Egypt had any intention of attacking Israel”.

Well Jewish pride exploded all over the world. The bigger story however was the steady erosion of Judaism in favour of rabid Zionist national values. This was also the beginning of the so-called religious Zionism, a movement which arrived just in time as political Zionism was beginning to lose its lustre and its moral steam—because the world began to finally understand that the dark underbelly was the oppression of another people, the Palestinians whose lands were stolen and were living in misery in refugee camps. --http://www.unjppi.org/christian-zionism.html

...The corruption of Judaism, as a religion of universal values, through its politicization by Zionism and by the replacement of dedication to Israel for dedication to God and the moral law, is what has alienated so many young Americans who, searching for spiritual meaning in life, have found little in the organized Jewish community.” Having witnessed the war on Lebanon (2006) and three punishing assaults on the civilians of Gaza Brownfeld wrote in 2014, ”What we are witnessing today, synagogues flying Israeli flags, programs urging American Jews to immigrate to Israel, their real homeland, is a form of idolatry, making the sovereign state of Israel the object of worship, rather than God. 

IDF armored  Zionazi garden of Eden tool .  Caterpillar D9R Israeli Offense Forces I0F bulldozer

Zionazi neighborhood "remodeling"

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"The Zionist vision was born out of the total rejection of this caricature. Jews would cease dealing in stocks and shares and money-lending. Jews would till the land with the sweat of their brow, do productive manual work, reject all kinds of parasitic speculations. This was considered such a high ideal that it justified even the displacement of the indigenous Arab population.

And here we are, a state following the orders of an international casino mogul whose line of business is perhaps the most unproductive in the cosmos. Sad.

.. .."

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Congress needs to stand up for American people’s interest over Netanyahu’s
By Roland Nikles

Hundreds of Israelis join protest to save Bedouin village on brink of demolition

IsrealHell/Palestine 

Allison Deger on July 24, 2015  http://ow.ly/Q5aXD

 - See more at: mondoweiss.net/2015/07/hundreds-israelis-demolition 

http://ow.ly/Q5aXD

...

https://www.facebook.com/IllogicalIsrael?fref=photo&sk=photos

...24Nov2015 \/

“Dialogue” isn’t enough to address the Israel-Palestine issue: Another prominent academic organization endorses a boycott of Israeli institutions and support of BDS

The American Anthropological Association has taken up BDS as a human rights issue DAVID PALUMBO-LIU TUESDAY, NOV 24, 2015 02:57

This past Friday, the American Anthropological Association, with more than 10,000 members, became the largest U.S. academic organization to endorse a boycott of Israeli institutions and to affirm the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement at an annual meeting. The resolution will be voted on by the full membership this spring. The results of the vote on Friday — 1,040 for, 136 against ... Notably, another resolution, critical of Israel but condemning a boycott on the grounds that it amounted to a “refusal to engage in a productive dialogue,” failed spectacularly, with just 196 in favor as compared to 1,173 against.

These two resolutions clearly stake out the two major options for academics and non-academics alike who are concerned about the Israeli occupation and the policies of the State of Israel with regard to the Palestinians. ...

The key thing to stress is that BDS is not against dialogue based on an ethical commitment to rights; it is, however, against the false and unethical kind of dialogue that ignores or downplays legitimate claims for rights and in so doing simply creates alibis for the perpetuation of inequality. This distinction holds true whether we are talking about discussions between heads of states, or between artists, writers, scholars and students.

Since the AAA vote has dramatically articulated these two opposing positions with regard to the capacity of “dialogue” to address the issue of Israel-Palestine, it is critical to be aware of what BDS actually is and what it offers. For it is the single most powerful and effective nonviolent force working for one of the most important human rights causes in the world.

At its base BDS is in fact a human rights movement:

On July 9 2005, a year after the International Court of Justice’s historic advisory opinion on the illegality of Israel’s Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), a clear majority of Palestinian civil society called upon their counterparts and people of conscience all over the world to launch broad boycotts, implement divestment initiatives, and to demand sanctions against Israel, until Palestinian rights are recognised in full compliance with international law. ...

The campaign for boycotts, divestment and sanctions (BDS) is shaped by a rights-based approach and highlights the three broad sections of the Palestinian people: the refugees, those under military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and Palestinians in Israel.

The call urges various forms of boycott against Israel until it meets its obligations under international law by:

Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling the Wall;

Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality;

and Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.

The BDS call was endorsed by more than 170 Palestinian political parties, organizations, trade unions and movements. The signatories represent the refugees, Palestinians in the OPT, and Palestinian citizens of Israel.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/24/dialogue_isnt_enough_to_address_the...

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Comment by Hannu Virtanen on April 4, 2015 at 1:06pm

By reading that wikipedia article about 'nation states' (linked above) you can easily start wondering, if the idea of 'a homeland' could be the origin of the whole problem.

Comment by moki ikom on April 4, 2015 at 4:05pm

"I think Jews are reacting more to what happened to them in the 30s and 40s rather than 2 millennia ago.

Can't disagree with that a bit myriad, why should some throne of  "we" 

[as wolfmans' "we" who once built temples to "us'', to "our god" -who has naturally chosen "us" --as opposed to you ---i.e., not "us"---  - in a uniquely kosher usury hegemone wherein the temple is where both the lenders (a web of legacied beneficiaries (by definition above and parallell to  a  foundation of legacied victims over which the web sprawls))  and the  priests thrive] 

over twenty christian calendar centuries ago be a responsibility of the U.S. to restore, not to mention be a worthy contribution to Humanity were it even possible to restore! 

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"The problem stated in the title of this piece is never addressed."

Indeed, to some of us the problem in the title of this piece is not understood as including the fact that no right stands a chance of being made from a wrong that is never admitted or acknowledged,  when in-good-faith amends are made inconceivable. 

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"Jews were persecuted for centuries in Europe, culminating in a genocide."

So jews in Europe (that makes them European right?) for centuries were generally fairing distinctly worse off in whatever country they were in than were the average citizens of those countries in which said jews lived?  Instead of get their share of many centuries' wealth accrued through virtually merciless colonial plundering,  Jews (as a race, religion, cult, business, individuals) in Europe were persecuted through centuries while other Europeans were benefitting immensely from plundering the planet and indigenous peoples for easy wealth to convert to capital, people to enslave in bondage, in debt,  for European society and commerce?

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"One would think Europeans would have been sufficiently horrified by the holocaust, but no ..."  

Paraphrasing my previous response to you myriad,  =Before revelations of nazi 1930-40's industrialized genocide taking place essentially in the heart of Europe, when are Europeans (including European jews) known to have been sufficiently horrified of their own or of another European society's plundering/genocidal foreign policies over the centuries to band together to stop an offending peer?= 

The last years of the 19th christian century found the U.S.government honoring its soldiers with three decades worth of 449 Congressional Medals of Honor for their service since the civil war advancing U.S. interests 'at the expense of indigenous peoples' aka genocide, Indian Campaigns, Indian Wars.  

At the beginning of the 20th century the United States is the shining example of what remarkable bounty and security is achievable with impunity through genocides, as if the grandiosity of European capitals were not examples enough.  Undoubtedly, Belgians and Turks were duly impressed enough by the morals, ethics and foresight exhibited by the U.S. where, like the U.S., they too saw national pursuits of genocide as prerogatives in which proud nations may indulge without negative consequences.  While Euronazi chose a similar course and got it wrong, Zionazi have done/are doing the same and want the U.S. to make it right.  

Comment by moki ikom on April 4, 2015 at 5:08pm

If not something of this nature:

One Country: A Bold Proposal to End the Israeli-Palestinian Impasse

http://electronicintifada.net/content/one-country-bold-proposal-end...

“What will it take to make peace between Israelis and Palestinians?” asks a Palestinian-American journalist. His answer is a bold proposal indeed.Abunimah suggests that Palestinians and Israelis agree to inhabit the same nation, enjoy the same rights and responsibilities and accept each other as compatriots.

Peace does not require that both sides share an “agreed narrative” of what happened in 1948, as some commentators have suggested. But, Abunimah urges, “It is unacceptable for a Palestinian to draw on his history of oppression and suffering to justify harming innocent Israeli civilians,” just as it is for an Israeli to use the idea of a covenant between God and Abraham to force Palestinians out of their ancestral home. Indeed, he adds, the success of the 1998 Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland and of Belgian federalism has not hinged on agreed narrative; “changing society,” he writes, “does not require us to forget or revise the past.” 

…”

a win-win compared to alternatives, none of which are likely to result in the idf forgoing for very long its pushing the envelope of aggression and destruction to new levels of justUS and disbelief.

Comment by Hannu Virtanen on April 5, 2015 at 2:11am

I've been already long thinking along these lines:

'... there is no reason why the Middle East could not harbor a multiethnic democracy along the Swiss — or Canadian, or South African — example.'

From http://electronicintifada.net/content/one-country-bold-proposal-end...

As I wrote above most, if not all European states have been quite multicultural already from the beginning and the whole EU is now being built according to multicultural ideas.

Comment by moki ikom on April 5, 2015 at 6:37pm

AJ, write your own post where you can rest assured your tagging will remain undisturbed.  Take it personal if you choose, however i don't know you a bit but i am no fan of stream of consciousness stuff or whatever it is you want to call it.  If you have a fan base, don't worry that they might miss your brilliance by my having deleted a tag of yours on a post of mine because they wouldn't likely take an interest in what i write about anyway.

Comment by moki ikom on April 6, 2015 at 2:02pm

Below comment first went up at ~1657est on "Jews Have Nowhere Else to Go": What's that Mean "    by Jonathan Wolfman on April 6, 2015 :

To those who consider the U.S. is a "host nation" of its citizens who are of Jewish decent, the U.S.  must as well be a 'host nation ' to its citizens of African decent.  

Can Jewish Americans** possibly make a legitimate, significant  claim for now or ever being singled out for abuse either on sight or suspicion even remotely comparable to the way America's people of color have been and are persecuted? 

Haven't individuals who consider themselves, are considered by others to be, Caucasian, in the U.S., the British imperial realm as well as Europe generally always* (note exception) enjoyed not be persecuted, when not otherwise being enslaved by Caucasian rulers to the degree non-Caucasians  have been and to a very significant extent still are discriminated against throughout the West?

*To question the morality forcing zionism in palestine is not an act of denying that the leaders and subjects of nazi ideology proved, in the most up-until-then photographically documented timeframe, our specie’s capacity for self-delusion and brutality, a realm where we humans reign supreme in the known universe.  

Is it possible for a zionist to admit that Palestine existed/exists?  How could virtually every map in the world since the beginning of mapmaking -including those maps in our bibles at church Sunday schools- that depicted The Levant been so wrong for so long? 

 How could a society, a people, a place cease to exist 

(or, as some zionists would have one believe, never in the first place even existed around the Dead Sea for two thousand years since the couple of centuries a jewish empire existed in the region)

 just because it was momentarily governed by the British?  Why should Iran or anyone else necessarily recognize Israel in Palestine when Israel has chosen to necessarily not recognize Palestine, condemning as being “anti-semitic” anyone who suggests that zionism in the middle east manifests immorality.

**I may have heard the term "Jewish American" (semantically similar to the term "African American") used by Jews who call themselves or by Americans who call themselves Jews, but I recall hearing "American Jew".

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on April 6, 2015 at 2:10pm

Of course people of African descent have never been able, reliably, to live here w.o danger, degradation, and, far too often, death. That should be an obvious aspect of and consequence of America's original and as yet unrepented and as yet unremedied ongoing sin.

As to J American v American J, makes no diff to me. Some Jews find the "ish" softens things. I'm fine referring to myself as a Jew

Comment by moki ikom on April 6, 2015 at 9:07pm

Jon, a very good South African friend of mine near Capetown is jewish, that's how he identifies himself, "jewish", at least to the negligible extent he refers to himself in such ways at all..  A "jew", i have never heard him refer to himself, or refer to anyone else.  None being black african at this time,  I know less than six south africans national; one is my daughter, another her mother, then my very good friend who is continents and oceans distant for more than two decades now,,  though seemingly, with the internet we are just around the corner from one another.  

Usually, that I am aware of, people who identify themselves as (not Native) American  don't do so like: Protestant American, Methodist American, American Baptist, Catholic American, and such, whereas it's not uncommon to say Italian American, Irish American, Cuban American, Latin American, , I guess what I'm wondering is why not Israeli American, especially for those who hold dual citizenship,, why not Israeli American instead of Jewish American?

Comment by koshersalaami on April 6, 2015 at 10:30pm

That one's easy. Most American Jews are not Israeli. 

Jews are essentially a tribe and a religious group, and a tribe that can be joined through its religion. Israel is a country with a majority of Jews. Israel is a country, a political entity. It is located on our ancient homeland and it is named after one of our ancient kingdoms which was in turn named after one of the names for Jacob in the Torah/Bible. Most American Jews do not have dual citizenship, though we are eligible for it. I am a Jewish American or perhaps an American Jew. I am absolutely not Israeli. Israelis are citizens of Israel. Incidentally, as there are Jews who are not Israeli (for most of my lifetime, most Jews in the world were not), there are Muslime and Christians who are. Israelis speak Hebrew as their everyday language. Their foods are typically different from mine, their language, and large parts of their culture. 

Now, as to why not a One State solution: Because the point behind Zionism was that close to two millenia of being minorities everywhere we lived was not safe. Theodor Herzl's point in the aftermath of the Dreyfus case was that the way Jews were going to be guaranteed a fair shake was to be in charge of our own country. In the one state solution, birth rates are such that Jews will be a minority in yet another country. Back to Square One. This is why I think Netanyahu is bad for Israel: He constantly undermines two-state possibilities, then acts like doing so protects Israel. Quite the opposite. If there is no two-state solution, the only possibilities are

1. Become a minority and practice actual Apartheid, not the stuff they're accused of now. 
2. Become a minority and lose control of their country. 
3. Become genuinely genocidal; again, not the stuff they're accused of now (Apartheid is way closer to reality than Genocide is, but is still an inaccurate description of what goes on inside Israel proper, where what we see is more like bigotry than actual Apartheid, unequal treatment but not crap like separate water fountains. What goes on in the West Bank and Gaza is essentially a military occupation, not substandard treatment of citizens. That doesn't justify the treatment of Palestinians, particularly in the West Bank, but it's a different bad phenomenon than the one typically alluded to. 

Comment by Hannu Virtanen on April 7, 2015 at 1:59am

I'm thinking that one-state solutions are possible as well. In fact almost all countries in the world have got minorities and most of them don't have any really  big problems with their minorities.

And it isn't so that Jews would always be those minorities who have got biggest problems to be a minority somewhere. For example in Finland before and during the second world war, several politicians suggested that Romani (Gypsies) people should be put in concentration camps. For example one of the most influential Finnish politicians of all times, Kekkonen had that opinion. But I don't know if anyone suggested that Jews of Finland should be put in concentration camps. And Finland sent much more of their other kind of citizens to the hands of Gestapo in Germany than Jews; mainly those people were sent to Germany to end into concentration camps there, were considered to be 'communists' and Finland had during the second world war special concentration camps for Finnish 'communists' in Finland, too. I think that  what happened in nazi Germany was really a quite special thing.

   

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