We don't you want you dirty refugees here!

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Comment by Ron Powell on December 18, 2018 at 8:47am

Though I get your point, your analogy is faulty.

Joseph and Mary were not refugees. Bethlehem was overcrowded due to the. Roman requirement that people return to their place/town of origin to be registered for the Census:

1In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. 2 This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria. 3 And all went to be registered, each to his own town. 4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child."

Luke 2:1

Comment by Dicky Neely on December 18, 2018 at 10:29am

Thanks for that. I am a bit rusty on my Biblical knowledge!

Comment by Tom Cordle on December 18, 2018 at 4:35pm

Hate to disagree with Ron, but there is no historical record of that decree or that census outside of the Bible. Here's a link, and many other reputable sources say the same thing:

"There is no record of Caesar Augustus' decree that "all the world ...

One of the first rules a journalist or historian is taught is to never rely on a single source. That rule is routinely violated when it comes to the Bible, in part because the stories are so ingrained in our culture, and in part because so many so want to believe them. As a consequence, it is hard to have an honest discussion when it comes to the validity of the Bible.

I suppose it's an understandable quirk of human nature, but it's strange nonetheless that adherents of every religion see their myths as facts, and every other religion's myths as mere myths. But if examined closely, many Bible stories are far less historical and far more mythological. Unfortunately, too many people take them literally, and thus miss the larger truths contained in them about human nature and Man's relationship with Nature and God.

As Socrates observed, the unexamined life is not worth living, and I would add that the unexamined faith is not worth having. Indeed, the Great Rabbi Yeshua (Yehoshua/ Joshua/Jesus) of Nazareth was so critical of his faith it cost him his life.

And with that, I nonetheless wish you a Merry Christmas.

Comment by koshersalaami on December 18, 2018 at 7:31pm

Yeah, if he’d come along a couple of millenia later he could have just joined my Temple and gotten involved in faith-based social activism. 

Comment by Ron Powell on December 18, 2018 at 8:52pm

@TC; I did not offer the Biblical story/account  as 'fact' but as a countervailing understanding of the nature of the treatment the people in the Bible story received as compared to the nature of the treatment contemporary refugees are receiving at our southern border....

Dicky Neely's analogy is predicated on a Biblical reference which is inaccurate and incorrect as an analogy to current affairs...

I have no faith, or place any stock, in the historical accuracy or efficacy of any part or aspect of the Bible...

Comment by Tom Cordle on December 19, 2018 at 8:41am

Ron  My comment was intended generally, and if I gave offense, none was intended. As for the point of contention, you're obviously correct that M&J in the telling were not refugees; but in my view, the sentiment remains the same, in spite of the specifics being different. I want to thank you, because our exchange has given me food for thought for my next post.

Comment by Dicky Neely on December 19, 2018 at 10:49am

I think I probably got my Biblical wires crossed. I must have confused their journey with the edict to kill the first born male child of the Hebrews in Egypt.

Sorry 'bout that. I haven't read the Bible in a while. I had a lot of Bible study while growing up in the Southern Baptist Church in East Texas but I'm a bit foggy on the subject now days.

Comment by Tom Cordle on December 19, 2018 at 2:27pm

Dick The Slaughter of the Innocents is another biblical story for which there is no historical record outside of the Bible. It's arguable the story derives in part from the OT story in Exodus, wherein the first-born of the Egyptians died. 


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