Two Sentence Tuesday: Religious morality isn't just promoted by faith

Many will tell you that faith is utterly unnecessary for morality and that religion is therefore morally superfluous. But religions are not just about faith, they're also about communities, and community peer pressure is not morally superfluous at all (which is why Jews can be atheists and still considered Jews). 

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Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on March 31, 2015 at 1:31pm

Fair enough tho I don't hold w the idea that either faith or religion are necessary for a person to act in steadily moral and/or ethical ways.

Comment by koshersalaami on March 31, 2015 at 1:34pm

Of course not. However, peer pressure helps people act in steadily moral and/or ethical ways, and religions can be a source of very directed peer pressure on those matters, which is I think a major factor in Jewish political involvement on the Left. 

Comment by Arthur James on March 31, 2015 at 1:43pm

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Listen to van Buren?

no. van Mozart's tunes.

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Johann Wolfgang von Goeth -

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If a person wish to write in a

clear style, let them be first so

clear in their thoughts; and if

one would write in a noble

style. let them first possess 

a noble soul. 

Comment by Arthur James on March 31, 2015 at 1:45pm

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oops...

van Mozart.

von burro...

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, ', ... huh?

piano sanato 

or hock piano

for a used oboe.

Comment by alsoknownas on March 31, 2015 at 1:45pm

Arm bending for ethics.

Something about this idea doesn't sound right no matter who or what is doing the bending.

I know you gave it the intellectual moniker of "peer pressure" but that's how it strikes me today.

Comment by koshersalaami on March 31, 2015 at 1:46pm

Van Buren? What's he got to do with this? And Mozart wasn't a Van. 

Aside from which, Van is a Dutch prefix, which showed that Beethoven had Dutch ancestry. The German term is Von, and Mozart was Germanic, in his case Austrian. Like Haydn. Beethoven was actually German or, more correctly, though I've never heard of anyone doing this, van Beethoven. 

Comment by Arthur James on March 31, 2015 at 1:48pm

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gads..

gosh...

von 

Beethoven

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We can get crass

and ignorant, and

think we so like a

Mr. Shakespeare?

but make many big

spiel and act out a

big hoax scheme.

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huh?

Comment by koshersalaami on March 31, 2015 at 1:48pm

AKA, 
It is absolutely not restricted to arm bending. It is just as driven by who you're trying to impress. 

Comment by koshersalaami on March 31, 2015 at 1:50pm

Peer pressure = Community standards

When you make a decision, are you telling me it never enters your mind what anyone else would think about it? Including family? 
If you find yourself morally all alone, you live in the wrong community. 

Comment by Poor Woman on March 31, 2015 at 1:50pm

Atheist friends see it in much the same way as you have here, Kosher. They are building their own communities, and I've seen much character building going on in spite of the lack of religious belief among some of those groups.

I do believe, but that wasn't always the case, and yet I chose to act sanely, safely and morally even while still unbelieving.

Also, religious practice is just that: it's a practice. People are sometimes evil who place themselves in high positions, saying, "Lookit me! Ain't I grand? Ain't I so-o-o-o  very special?" (Sometimes they may just be very much mistaken, tho')

Support and peer pressure may well have added to the moral tone in many communities before. We also must watch for gossip, divisiveness, and other human unkindness even as we strive to be better people--as in, not above others or the world, but more healthily alive to what is fair and loving for everybody to experience.

I liked this post. It made sense to me.

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