This morning I admitted on the email exchange with some friends that I do not understand entirely what it is that POTUS is doing by ramping up the potential for major conflict with Iran.

When I say I do not understand entirely I mean that I do not understand at all. I have given up on thinking I understand.

In response, one of the participants, who happens to be Jewish, enlightened me in this fashion. Typos are left intact :

"Here's what I think...Israel is the shot caller in this deal. Trump has aligned himself with the evangelicals world wide ( Russia has tons of true believers) that have this abiding interest in the maintenance of the State of Isreal as they think Christ is somehow there, around, free floating in a cloud of weed, or , at minimum, turning vinegar into vodka.
He is up to his neck with Netanyahu...the perfect foil for his anti Iran, non theocratic regime change agenda. Netanyahu is a right wing, militarist,  believes that the best Palestinian is a dead one and supports a two state solution because he knows it's PC but will never happen on his watch.Right wing, Jewish fundamentalists with an requited passion for "pure" Zionism dominate Netanyhoo's thinking. His father was Benzion Netanyahu, an Israeli  scholar, and right wing zionist said, "The tendency to conflict is the essence of the Arab. He is an enemy by essence. His personality won't allow him to compromise. It doesn't matter what kind of resistance he will meet, what price he will pay. His existence is one of perpetual war." This is what his son believes as well.
Netanyahoo and Trump's agenda's merge but for totally different reasons. Netanyahu wants a non nuke Iran so there isn't a threat to the state. Trump wants to preserve Israel ...not out of any love for the Jews...but to maintain his little block of evangelical right wing jagoffs. Most of his right wing evangelicals want most Jews dead...but they want access to all the holy sites Israel controls. The Manger, the audio animatronic Creche with lifelike baby jesus, The Mount at Calgary and all the other stuff.
In the meantime, while Trump reimposes sanctions with the full blessing of Netanyahoo he is sending arms and ammo to Israel at an unprecedented rate. Isreal has never been more war ready than right now. If war did break out between Israel and Iran no Euro allies would come in. But Isreal bomb Iran back to the stone age in about three days. That would put an end to the threat but destabilize Iran more than it already is, make it a rebuilding expense for the US ( trump would not care...and send the dough)...So, we'd be in another quagmire...with Netanyahoo smiling as he is in a win/win or no lose position.
Netanyahoo is just itching for the greenlight...and I'm sure the deal Trump worked out with Putin is to look the other way when Israel strikes. Putin also loves the evangelicals. The current ratcheting up of sanctions post exit from the Nuke deal and Helsinki is designed to make Iran the aggressor, give Israel an excuse to go in and take out the mullahs...and have the US and United Nations install a pro west pro Euro puppet.  Trump is doing all Netanyahoos work for him.  Huge mess.
How big a threat is iran...their economy is the size of Marylands. BFD. Our next Vietnam fought by the Israelis with surgical precision and we'll do cleanup.
Jared Kushner going back and forthto make peace and prosecute a round of two state talks  is purely for show. Like...hey.." we're working on it". Yeah right."

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Comment by Rosigami on August 7, 2018 at 7:58am

Read through, typos and all. Your friend has a very lucid interpretation of this mess. 

Comment by alsoknownas on August 7, 2018 at 8:07am

Thanks for wading through it Rosi.

It all seems so crazy.

Comment by Rosigami on August 7, 2018 at 8:11am

Sure! These are crazy times. On every front. 

Comment by J.P. Hart on August 7, 2018 at 11:20am

Perhaps also for conjecture: how did Jesus change seven kegs of water into wine as so eloquently portrayed by the great Williem DaFoe in the Last Exit to Brooklyn meant to type the Last Temptations of Christ?

Comment by alsoknownas on August 7, 2018 at 11:55am


I imagine it was a lot easier than turning wine into water. Which just made J shrewd vs. wasteful.

Comment by koshersalaami on August 7, 2018 at 8:51pm

Mostly right as far as I can see, but there’s one factor that’s minimized in this discussion and that’s the role of Iran where it comes to Israel. That role hardly ever comes up and it’s crucial to understanding a lot of this. 

Let’s start with the fact that Iran has cost Israel a lot of lives. They train, arm and sometimes command Hezbollah. Their arming Hezbollah is a major issue in the region because the route those arms take is through Syria, which is Israel’s chief interest in Syria and in all probability the main subject of Israel’s discussions with Russia. This has been going on a long time, since well before the whole nuclear weapons issue surfaced.

You ought to have a look at this:

Read the last paragraph. Maybe twice. 

Then ask yourself how close Israeli troops ever are to Iran’s border.

I don’t agree with Netanyahu, nor do I agree with Trump. I see no reason to reinstate the sanctions unless he is responding to a series of violations of the agreement that lifted them, and I haven’t read much about that. And I don’t mean violations outlined by Netanyahu but by American intelligence or perhaps European intelligence. 

Iran has a long history of aggression toward Israel dating back at least to the Ahmedinejad regime, when he went so far as to host Holocaust denial conferences in Tehran, until the small Iranian Jewish population finally got him to knock it off. Iran puts on military parades with Israeli destinations scrawled on missiles. There has been a lot of aggressive commentary from various officials, including one who referred to Israel as a “one bomb country,” meaning one nuke could take out the entire country. 

“Making Iran the aggressor” isn’t necessary. Iran doesn’t need Netanyahu or Trump to do that. In terms of defining Iran as the aggressor, regrettably, this is one instance in which both Netanyahu and Trump are right, not about policy but about assessment. 

I don’t endorse what either leader is doing about it. Trump should be looking after America’s interests, not lining up behind American evangelicals to support whatever idiocy Netanyahu has in mind, like that completely insane and insulting addressing of a joint session of Congress without bothering to inform the President of the United States that he was coming. Natanyahu’s assessment of where Iran is in their nuclear process - and what to do about it - is more draconian than that of his own intelligence services, who don’t oppose the nuclear agreement like he does. 

What I am telling you is that no one is innocent here, emphatically including Iran. 

In terms of issues aside from Iran, I agree with this assessment of Netanyahu as regards the two state solution. I very much doubt peace is possible with this man in office. 

Comment by alsoknownas on August 8, 2018 at 6:57am

Thanks for participating k/s.

 I have forwarded your reply to my friend who wrote it.

Comment by alsoknownas on August 8, 2018 at 8:53am

Here is what he said in response:

Hamas and Hezbollah  are both terrorist orgs, subsidized by Tehran, and indigenous Israeli Arabs, and many other countries as well... that threaten Israel, deny her right to exist, want all Jews thrown in the sea, and want Palestinians repatriated to all Israeli land. In the near term, they want, at least  the occupation and building of Israeli settlements in the occupied territories( roll back to pre 1967 borders)  to cease ( everyone agrees on that).  Most of Israel's efforts re: Gaza are related to rooting out Hamas or containing them. They are a violent and extremely disciplined group of fighters. Hezbollah, the other group of terrorists insurgents, are based   was founded in the early 1980s as part of an Iranian effort to aggregate a variety of militant Lebanese Shi'a groups under one roof. Hezbollah acts as a proxy for Iran. Both groups are outliers in terms of a two state solution but very useful to Netanyahu to keep things as they are...with no compromises.


Most Palestinians want peace. As do most Israelis. Two state solution is the only viable alternative to a constant war...fought every 12-24 months in little micro battles and results in lot's of injured and dead. The IDF spends most of it's time looking for weapons and blocking their entry into the country. The best way, until there is some compromise ob borders,  is with the wall that divides the country up...and snakes all over Israel.  That's where Trump get the wall idea for our border. The problem is Mexicans are not coming in armed. Or blowing stuff up. They are sneaking in to work.


Trump needs to stick his nose out of's a mess. Hamas and Hezbollah are like the extreme North Vietnamese Communist leaders of the 50's and 60's....they ain't giving in so quick.

Comment by koshersalaami on August 8, 2018 at 9:22pm

I agree with all of it except perhaps the analogy between Hamas and Hezbollah and the North Vietnamese government because Israel is nothing like the South Vietnamese government. 


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