"...this pope's welcoming lgbt Catholics..."... Huh??? On which planet???

Once again, I feel the need to respond to one of Jonathan Wolfman's comments which, frankly, boggles my mind... to wit:

"this pope's welcoming lgbt Catholics..."

My initial impulse was to scream "BULL . FUCKING . SHIT HE DID!" (which I did do... LOL)

Then I decided to "learn" y'all some stuff...

What Pope Frankie said was simply a re-wording of the Church doctrine that has existed since it was published back in 1992, where Pope John Paul II stated that the “number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible” and "suggested" that they “be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity”.

Now that sounds all peachy keen on the surface, right?  Then lets dig a bit deeper and read the ENTIRE PASSAGE not just the "nice" part...

“Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered’. They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

So in other words, if you are LGBTQ, we will begrudgingly "accept" you, in spite of us all believing that you are a depraved pervert for being homosexual... and you best not EVER think about having sex again!!!

So I loudly repeat... 


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Comment by Ron Powell on August 20, 2018 at 8:25pm

The question that is raised when the two statements are juxtaposed is: Can 'acceptance' without' approval truly be acceptance?

In this context 'acceptance' can be considered to be the equivalent of 'tolerance'. As one who has been the subject, or target, of tolerance for virtually all of his life, I can say without hesitation, equivocation, or ambiguity that tolerance or, as in this instance, acceptance does not impart the sense of being welcome or welcomed in any shape, form, or fashion.

In fact, the very opposite is the case.

Acceptance, or tolerance, without approval inflicts psychological and emotional pain, suffering, and damage on the subject, or target, individual or group.

Over the 72 years of my life, I have grown to develop an attitude about this issue which can be expressed as follows:

If you can't, don't, or wont accept me for who and what I am, unequivocally and without reservation, you can go and fuck yourself with all of the tolerance you can muster. Get the fuck out of my face with that platitudinous, euphemistic 'welcome' bullshit and stick it up your ass...

It is in this regard that I not only agree, but stand with Amy as well...


Comment by Ron Powell on August 22, 2018 at 5:39am

@JW; "In the mid-19th C "charity" (also) meant a reaching out, an effort to understand the 'other' even w.o forgiving...the kind of understanding that, while it did not excuse serious moral and political transgressions (such as secession or slavery)..."

I would argue that this is where the Catholic Church stands re "acceptance" of LGBTQ individuals and their community...

Hence my reaction and response...

This "acceptance" or "tolerance" is as condescending as it gets and is about as conciliatory as Jim Crow and the system of sharecropping....


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