The June 3, 2016, email sent to Donald Trump Jr. could hardly have been more explicit: One of his father’s former Russian business partners had been contacted by a senior Russian government official who was offering to provide the Trump campaign with dirt on Hillary Clinton.

The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

He replied within minutes: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

Four days later, after a flurry of emails, the intermediary wrote back, proposing a meeting in New York on Thursday with a “Russian government attorney.”

Donald Trump Jr. agreed, adding that he would most likely bring along “Paul Manafort (campaign boss)” and “my brother-in-law,” Jared Kushner, now one of the president’s closest White House advisers.

On June 9, the Russian lawyer was sitting in the younger Mr. Trump’s office on the 25th floor of Trump Tower, just one level below the office of the future president.

Over the last several days, The New York Times has disclosed the existence of the meeting, whom it involved and what it was about. The story has unfolded as The Times has been able to confirm details of the meetings.

Paraphrased from:

http://oursalon.ning.com/profiles/blogs/probable-cause?xg_source=ac...

So, here's the question:

If you were a member of a Grand Jury and this material was presented to you by a prosecuting attorney, would you vote to indict on charges of conspiracy and collusion?

Please note:

Grand Juries do not determine guilt or innocence. The function of the grand jury is to determine whether there is sufficient evidence that a crime has been committed and that those accused of said crime should be put on trial for the offense based on the evidence presented against them.

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Comment by Ron Powell on July 12, 2017 at 4:06pm

@Kosh; The media legal analysts are focuseing on the something of value issue because Trump Jr says that they "got nothing" useful from the meeting with the Russian lawyer beacause she says she had nothing to give Trump Jr & Co at the outset.

However, whether she had something of value re damaging info on Clinton or not, in my view,  the concern is the intention and purpose of the meeting as the Americans ubderstood it to be.

As I said in my previous post, had this been ab FBI  'sting' operation, somebody would be well on his way to prison.

Comment by Token on July 12, 2017 at 5:17pm

had the FBI been functioning at the time, Hillary would be IN jail. If you'd listen to fox news you would know that the DNC set up and carried out a much more blatant sort of foreign govt. hunt for damaging oppo research with a crew called Fusion, resulting in the Trump dossier cooked up by former British spy in collusion with Russian operatives, not to mention meetings with the govt of the Ukraine for the same reason, not to mention that Obama knew all this stuff and did nothing.

PS As Amy says, at any time, Trump can simply pardon everyone involved and move on, which contrary to what would have happened had Nixon done it, would result in a HUGE swell of popularity among his fan base, favorability ratings bumped back up into the high 40's: and guess what? the same people would still ineffectually hate him as hate him now,only 3 times as much.

Personally, as a fat old white guy, I'm just waiting for you guys to move that clown Trump out of the way so that herr rittmeister pence can take over, jah?

You don't know when you are well off.

Comment by Ron Powell on July 12, 2017 at 5:45pm

@token; Pence waiting in the wings is a nettlesome prospect.

Comment by koshersalaami on July 12, 2017 at 7:06pm

Nettlesome

Sort of like Meddling, a euphemism

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on July 12, 2017 at 7:43pm

Anyone who wants Trump to get impeached and let Pence take over is a closeted (or not so closeted) LGBTQ & woman  hater.  Y'all can deny it, but it doesn't change the fact because you are willing to sacrifice us, our gains, and even our very lives in the name of your own brand of power politics.

Comment by Ron Powell on July 12, 2017 at 8:44pm

"Anyone who wants Trump to get impeached and let Pence take over is a closeted (or not so closeted) LGBTQ & woman  hater."

Amy, that makes about as much sense as me saying that everyone who voted for Trump is a racist.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on July 12, 2017 at 8:48pm

Ron, if Trump's VP was David Duke would you feel the same way?

Comment by Ron Powell on July 12, 2017 at 9:07pm

Amy, Duke and Pence  aren't equivalent.

Pence is a career politician and has some experience in governing ...

His extremism re sexual preference and racism is more about winningelections than running a goverment.....

However, I get your point Pence ain't no party or picnic but he would be much susceptible to the inherent restraints of democratic governmental princioles thanTrump wculd or could be....

And no, I'm not saying that Pence would be better for US than Trump. I'm saying that Trump's followers,are far more dangerous than either of them.....

Comment by koshersalaami on July 12, 2017 at 9:19pm

Trump's top advisor is the equivalent of David Duke. If he's top advisor any more. 

The only question about Pence is what he could accomplish. That he is more anti gay is without question. 

Trump might be less of a risk and Trump might be more of a risk. 

On one hand, the size of the core of support really devoted to Pence is likely to be smaller than that devoted to Trump. I suspect the press would be less afraid of Pence. 

Pence would be more inclined not to break as many rules right and left when it comes to factors like conflict of interest. 

Pence would be less likely to completely fuck up foreign policy. 

On the other hand, Pence understands electoral power way better than Trump does. Pence will get cooperation from Congress, possibly to a greater extent. He is one of them while Trump is not. Pence is also a fanatic, which Trump is not, and this in itself may be the ultimate answer to the question of who is more dangerous. Both are deluded, but in different directions. 

The advantage to Pence is that he's more competent.

The disadvantage to Pence is that he's more competent. 

Trump's ineffectiveness may be his advantage to us. 

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