The June 3, 2016, email sent to Donald Trump Jr. could hardly have been more explicit: One of his father’s former Russian business partners had been contacted by a senior Russian government official who was offering to provide the Trump campaign with dirt on Hillary Clinton.

The documents “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father,” read the email, written by a trusted intermediary, who added, “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”

He replied within minutes: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”

Four days later, after a flurry of emails, the intermediary wrote back, proposing a meeting in New York on Thursday with a “Russian government attorney.”

Donald Trump Jr. agreed, adding that he would most likely bring along “Paul Manafort (campaign boss)” and “my brother-in-law,” Jared Kushner, now one of the president’s closest White House advisers.

On June 9, the Russian lawyer was sitting in the younger Mr. Trump’s office on the 25th floor of Trump Tower, just one level below the office of the future president.

Over the last several days, The New York Times has disclosed the existence of the meeting, whom it involved and what it was about. The story has unfolded as The Times has been able to confirm details of the meetings.

Paraphrased from:

So, here's the question:

If you were a member of a Grand Jury and this material was presented to you by a prosecuting attorney, would you vote to indict on charges of conspiracy and collusion?

Please note:

Grand Juries do not determine guilt or innocence. The function of the grand jury is to determine whether there is sufficient evidence that a crime has been committed and that those accused of said crime should be put on trial for the offense based on the evidence presented against them.

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Comment by Ron Powell on July 12, 2017 at 5:03am

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on July 12, 2017 at 6:17am

Likely I would.

Comment by koshersalaami on July 12, 2017 at 6:35am


How could anyone fail to indict when they have what functionally amounts to a confession?

Stupid question. No one was indicted in Staten Island. There they had a clear video of the crime being committed. 

Comment by JMac1949 Today on July 12, 2017 at 6:59am

Indict and convict for dumbass hubris if nothing else.  Big fine and jail time.

Comment by greenheron on July 12, 2017 at 10:08am

What I'm wondering is what's the over/under for Trump Sr. throwing Jr. under the bus? Because he will totally do it I think.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on July 12, 2017 at 10:38am

Uhhhh, pray tell exactly WHAT crime?

Is it now illegal to have a meeting with a Russian?  Or is it suddenly illegal to dig up dirt on you politic opponent?

When you're done with that, if the dirt on Hillary DOES prove some illegality on her part, are you STILL going to keep pointing at the Russians screaming "Look at them!  They are bad!!"  and give her yet ANOTHER pass???

Comment by alsoknownas on July 12, 2017 at 11:21am

Most people understand that colluding with a foreign power to alter the process of USA's election for POTUS, if not criminal is at the very least morally corrupt, and flies in the face of respect for all who have honorably defended this nation's sovereignty.

A minor few fly off on tangents and demonstrate a lack of clear thinking.

Comment by koshersalaami on July 12, 2017 at 11:32am

not to mention continuing to pretend that everyone's problem here is with the Russians rather than the Americans who used their help in an election. The Russians didn't betray their country. 

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on July 12, 2017 at 11:57am

Nice misdirection, KosherBaloney (and I'm just going to ignore AKA because he's apparently is "fact adverse"), but my question was:

"Pray tell exactly WHAT crime?"

Show me the statute that was violated by Trump.  Show me the basis for sitting a Grand Jury?  Show me ANY PROOF PERIOD.  

Until then, you are simply being a agendized rumor and smear monger...  (but we already knew that about you.)

Comment by Ron Powell on July 12, 2017 at 1:09pm

@Amy; Each of the individuals identified by Trump Jr including himself was asked by the appropriate governmental authorities,having proper jurisdiction, whether any member of the Trump campaign had any contact with any  Russians during the campaign re Russian involvement/interference
 in or with the American Presidental Electoral process.

Each of these individuals denied having any such contact,  conversation,  conspuracy , or collusion re the Presidential camaign.

Trump Sr. now denies knowledge of any contact that his son has now acknowledged and admitted having taken place.... When he first denied that any such contact had taken place at all.

"Making false statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001) is the common name for the United States federal crime laid out in Section 1001 of Title 18 of the United States Code, which generally prohibits knowingly and willfully making false or fraudulent statements, or concealing information, in "any matter within the jurisdiction" of the federal government of the United States, even by mere denial.

A number of notable people have been rosecuted and convicted under the section, including Martha Stewart, Rod Blagojevich, Scooter Libby, Bernard Madoff, andJeffrey Skilling.

This statute is used in many contexts. Most commonly, prosecutors use this statute to reach cover-up crimes such as perjury, false declarations, and obstruction of justice and government fraud cases."


At the very least some , if not all, of these people  and others,may be guilty of making false statements and as FM aptly  puts it 'cover up'.

As I said in my previous post, "this may not be the 'smoking gun', but it does leave a kot of smoldering shell casings in the floor at the feet of TrumpJr and those he identifies as having been at 'the meeting'"

Under ordinary circumstances ,  somebody would be well on his way to prison....

But these are not ordinary circumstances.


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