The ADL on the Armenian Genocide and (not) on the destruction of Al Aqsa

On the pages of this site, a couple of accusations were made by Safe Bet’s Amy about the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish organization founded to combat antisemitism. 

The first was that the ADL does not recognize the Armenian Genocide. Let’s see:

The second concerned alleged ADL statements calling for the destruction of Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. I find that accusation pretty dubious, but I went looking to see what in Hell she could be talking about. What I saw was a comment on anti-Semitic rhetoric following an attack at Al Aqsa by some Israeli Arabs where they shot a couple of Israeli guards to death. The  first link describes the event, which even Mahmoud Abbas, head of the Palestinian Authority, condemned:

The second is the ADL response:

Nowhere is there any reference to the destruction of Al Aqsa. I could not imagine there would be, as the ADL is not an anti-Muslim organization. Far from it:

This is, to put it bluntly, slander.

I have chosen to stop commenting on Amy’s blog and to stop allowing her to comment on mine. The reason I gave on her blog triggered this comment about the ADL, which illustrates perfectly why I made that decision. 

This is a personal decision on my part. That which offends me I don’t expect to offend anyone else. 

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Comment by alsoknownas on April 27, 2018 at 7:06am

I was declared to be a white supremacist.

If I used my real name here it could be considered libel. 

It is bizarre and delusional, but not worth the engagement of fighting.

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on April 27, 2018 at 7:42am

Anyone can be a middling propagandist.

And anyone can be a hero and, say, crush a beer can...they went to aluminum in '62.

Comment by Anna Herrington on April 27, 2018 at 8:15am

My son is engaged to an Armenian woman, our families have gotten close over the years.... all I can say is the Armenians are to this day deeply affected by the attempted genocide of 103 years ago and the sweeping under the rug of responsibility or even that it happened, by some...? Deeply affected. To this day. That is what matters to me about it, personally.

The Armenians. 

Comment by koshersalaami on April 27, 2018 at 9:27am


The Armenian genocide was absolutely a genocide. Contrary to any allegations you hear anywhere on this site, Jews do not maintain a monopoly on genocide. Even the Holocaust Museum in Washington talks about other genocides and, as demonstrated here, the ADL certainly agrees with the assessment of the slaughter of Armenians as genocide. The American Jewish community encouraged the Clinton administration to get involved in Bosnia specifically because we recognized it as attempted genocide in progress. 

That does not, of course, mean that everything that anyone characterizes as genocide actually is. And, contrary to anyone’s assumption, our refusing to define some things as genocide is not based on who the aggressor ostensibly is. 

Given how you feel about the Armenians, I assume you can understand why I would be upset when the foremost Jewish group in the US combatting antisemitism is accused of not recognizing that genocide for what it was. 

Comment by alsoknownas on April 27, 2018 at 10:48am


 I saw you attacked recently on this site for expressing Christian beliefs. It was not done by anyone commenting here.

 I understand turning the other cheek. I was raised that way and generally adhered to it as a youth, except for those times when in a rough neighborhood I had to fight back as hard as possible.

At this stage of adulthood however I do not feel any compulsion to ignore the bigots that live among us. 

I have been advised just to ignore the source. How does one do that successfully? It's far too common.

I think that most of those who have fled the site would concur.

Comment by mary gravitt on April 27, 2018 at 1:11pm

As a citizen living in Trump World, why worry about offending people.  A critic is a critic and the first duty of a writer is to be a critic.  Arguing is part of the deal of being alive.

Comment by koshersalaami on April 27, 2018 at 1:28pm

Lying isn't. Stating that a Jewish organization fighting antisemitism favors the destruction of the third holiest site in Islam is not arguing. Equating an organization fighting bigotry with an organization that murders people isn't arguing either. 

Comment by koshersalaami on April 27, 2018 at 4:05pm

I'd love to see Amy's answer about the Al Aqsa accusation. I don't expect one. 

I'd also love to see the ADL's record of blowing people up, kneecapping political opponents (that means shooting their kneecaps out so they can never walk again without a prosthetic - and here I mean Fatah members), using forced child labor - and allowing nearly 150 kids to die in accidents while engaging in forced labor. Or launching missiles at civilians. Or planning mass kidnappings on religious holidays. Apparently complaining about double standards, even from Jewish groups, is the equivalent of this. I guess it depends what Equivalent means. 

Comment by Maui Surfer on April 27, 2018 at 6:05pm

What Amy has is, on the subject of acronyms, ADD and BPD with a heavy dose of NPD.

As to the Armenian tragedy, I am in the Bay Area again this week and there is a giant banner draped across the San Francisco Bay Bridge commemorating for the record once again what evil the Turks did. Lets face it, the pathetic end of the Ottoman Empire is really what caused a large amount of the problems that continue in the Levant today, and I have many Armenian friends, the city of Glendale in Los Angeles is a yuge community of them, who will never, ever forget.

Comment by koshersalaami on April 27, 2018 at 7:56pm

Maui, your comment doubled so I deleted the copy.

I’ve got ADHD, so I know that limitation. I have no idea if she also has it but, if so, I don’t think that’s related to my difficulties with her. I object to going there for two opposite reasons:

1. I’m not about to criticize someone for an illness they have. You’re responsible for your choices, not your condition.

2. I don’t like holding a condition responsible when I believe responsibility really does lie with the individual. I think we’re looking at conscious choices. No excuses. It would be one thing if she announced a condition or a series of them like, for example, Theodora did, so I knew enough to cut her slack at times and why I had to. That’s not the case here. She expects us to own what we do and say. I expect the same of her. 


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