I'm sitting here wondering why we allow this shit to continue when much smaller factions (Blacks, members of the LGBTQ community, etc.) have started movements and seen at least SOME improvements (though certainly nothing even close to being acceptable).  

No other faction, however, has had to deal with the slow, grinding oppression that women have to deal with from men.  Men are trained to oppress from birth and, unlike the bigotry of a relatively small percent that discriminate against Blacks, etc., virtually all men take this "training" and apply it to each and every one of their own mothers, sisters, aunts, cousins, spouses and female acquaintances.

I guess the closest I can come to an analogy would be the majority Blacks in South Africa being oppressed by the minority whites though the constant crushing of their hopes, dreams and souls (if you believe in such things) through systemic, economic, social and historical oppression.

Anyways, ten years ago Rebecca Solnit wrote an essay that summed up this oppression very well:

“Men explain things to me, and other women, whether or not they know what they’re talking about. … Every woman knows what I’m talking about.

It’s the presumption that makes it hard, at times, for any woman in any field; that keeps women from speaking up and from being heard when they dare; that crushes young women into silence by indicating, the way harassment on the street does, that this is not their world.

It trains us in self-doubt and self-limitation just as it exercises men’s unsupported overconfidence.”

...and, yes...  this essay has also been credited with launching the term “mansplaining” even though Ms. Solnit didn't use the term.  (she is the writer who had some man she encountered at a party "explain" her book to her after ignoring that she told him she was the author...  ::roll eyes::)

She also is the person who coined one of my favorite sayings:

“It is an old truism that knowledge is power. The inverse—that power is often ignorance—is rarely discussed.”

SOOOOOO...  I'm hoping some of the people here watch the following interview of Ms. Solnit and then actually think about what she says in regards to their own actions and words...

I'm not holding my breath expecting that to happen, BTW... (and I'm sure someone here will "man'splain" to me why I shouldn't think that way...)

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Comment by Foolish Monkey on March 17, 2018 at 6:58pm

this has been my contention for a long time - you can talk about all the various oppressions in the world but the one we live with that's so pervasive it's invisible is that of women in the world of men.   it's not just from our births but their births too, it's how we raise men and women and the fact that we raise them, that only reinforces the inequity of power.

we are different, yes.  worlds different.  biologically to brain chemistry different. but we are equals - some of us are naturally more powerful than others, and this is how it is with men too.  not all men are dynamos and not all women are either.  but we bring qualities uniquely femme to the table.  except - we aren't at the table.  yet.  but we're finally.... actually.... just beginning.... to address it, think about it.  I don't even know that we can see just how saturated we are with this inequity - even now. it's goddamned cellular. 

Comment by Ron Powell on March 17, 2018 at 7:35pm

"...unlike the bigotry of a relatively small percent that discriminate against Blacks..."

White peopleTotal population (850,000,000) +

11.5% of the total world population

(world population of 7.5 billion).

(not counting partial European descent))

---Wikipedia

If you are making the case that  one way or another virtually ALL white people discriminate against ALL people of color and black people in particular, AND that virtually ALL women are oppressed by ALL men  and ALL men engage in the oppression of ALL women one way or another, I would tend to agree with your assertion...

FM's statement is possibly the most telling assertion or extant  acknowledgement  to be considered in any discussion on this topic:

 "...the fact that we raise them..."

It is absolutely necessary to address the salient fact that women raise men as we articulate the issue(s) and seek and explore remedies....

Good post.... 

Comment by koshersalaami on March 17, 2018 at 7:55pm

I agree with most of what she has to say. The issue I have with the use of mansplainin on this site is the assumption that women are specifically targeted by it. Speaking personally, I’ll explain anything to death to anyone, and frequently do. That’s strictly equal opportunity, or perhaps equal annoyance. 

Comment by Phyllis on March 18, 2018 at 4:52am

Don't lock on to what Monkey said and say that only women raise men. That is Balderdash. Every time we turn around, there is someone saying that all little boys need a male role model. Men are a huge influence on how other males are raised. And it is that culture that we have to work within.

There is not one single man on this planet at this time that has been raised solely totally and completely by a woman.

Comment by Ron Powell on March 18, 2018 at 5:45am

"There is not one single man on this planet at this time that has been raised solely totally and completely by a woman."

Agreed!

Yet there is something to be said for the fact that that women participate in the upbringing of both the perpetrators and the victims...

And, it is this salient fact that should be taken into consideration  in any discussion on the tooic.

What made white people so wary of Malcolm X as opposed to MLK is that Malcolm wanted black people to stop behaving like victims "by any means necessary".

That posture frightened a lot of white people....and empowered a lot of black people....

The fact that there has been some "improvement" re black/white interaction is influenced in part by the notion that while we are still victimized by racism and bigotry, we are to advise/counsel one another to stop  behaving/thinking  like victims..

However, the problem with that is the police have the guns and are permitted/authorzed/encouraged to "fear for their lives" at the sight of an unarmed black man running away from them.

Comment by koshersalaami on March 18, 2018 at 5:59am

I don’t read FM as saying that only women raise men. Saying that women have a hand in raising their sons is a far cry from saying they do so alone. As the son of an involved father and as an extremely involved father myself, I would find such an allegation ridiculous. 

I don’t know what keeps those women who don’t speak up from speaking up. That might have more to do with how we raise daughters. 

The contention that all men are oppressive is kind of a broad brush. On the other hand, the contention that gender asymmetry as an assumption is built into us very deeply - to use FM’s word, “cellular” - is true, and it takes vigilance to counteract that. 

Comment by koshersalaami on March 18, 2018 at 6:15am

Is it male of Ron to assume he can change the subject to racism like he did on Greenheron’s International Women’s Day post? Personally, I think sexism is a pervasive enough phenomenon to be worthy of its own discussion. 

Comment by Ron Powell on March 18, 2018 at 6:59am

@Kosh; "Personally, I think sexism is a pervasive enough phenomenon to be worthy of its own discussion."

I agree whole heartedly.

"...unlike the bigotry of a relatively small percent that discriminate against Blacks..."

I believe that Amy made this statement for the purpose of comparison and  perspective....

My comment is partially a reaction to that to put, and hopefully, keep things in perspective.....

BTW  "Is it male of Ron to assume he can change the subject to racism like he did on Greenheron’s International Women’s Day post?"

I didn't and don't "assume" any such thing any more than you might have done when WE were goaded into defending our reference to Ms Markle as being "black".

Your continued attempts to load questions and bait snark traps are beginning to annoy me...

Cut it out, or you'll be shitting from a new hole in a different ditection...

It's crap like this that lend validity to my assertion that unless you're willing to stand up and speak out against racism and bigotry without the benefit of a screen name and avatar to hide your identity, there is absolutely no reason in the world why black people should "trust" you any more than they should "trust" Rush Limbaugh or Laura Ingraham .

There's no way to tell the difference simply by looking at you.

Comment by koshersalaami on March 18, 2018 at 7:12am

If I answer I’ll take Amy’s thread in another direction, and I think under the circumstances that two guys hijacking this thread would be beyond inappropriate.

Comment by Ron Powell on March 18, 2018 at 7:25am

 "I think under the circumstances that two guys hijacking this thread would be beyond inappropriate."

You get no argument from me.

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