As prescient as they were, I doubt that any of Ayn Rand, George Orwell, or the makers of Back to the Future would have imagined that in late 2015, the Federal Bureau of Investigation would be doing its thing in connection with a routine exercise in classroom discipline occurring this week in South Carolina.

Fully infused with the notion that obedience to authority is optional, especially if one is a member of a historically oppressed minority, a sassy South Carolina student decides that she needn’t obey orders from whatever source. When a police officer tires of this arrogant insolence, and causes to happen what the student should have done in the first place, the media and the FBI go berserk. At last look, apologists for this brat are appearing in their Sunday best (paid for by god knows who) on CNN and being treated reverentially.

This, by the way, is the same FBI that has to date chosen not to investigate the prehistoric practices of Planned Parenthood. Oh well, given the ultimate chief of the bureau, should we reasonably expect any more rational outcome?

Not obeying the orders of those in authority is bad enough; the media and governmental reinforcement of the conduct is a gateway to anarchy.

The officer involved, who according to the most recent videos was himself physically assaulted by this mess of a student, should be given a medal, not censured in any way.

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Comment by Gordon Osmond on October 28, 2015 at 9:08am

Thanks for your comment. Yes, indeed, let rushes to judgment to the media.

Comment by koshersalaami on October 28, 2015 at 9:17am
Regardless of what the answer turns out to be, the first step is to ask the right question. That question is not: Was the girl innocent?

No. She wasn't. Next.

Nor is the question: Did the girl deserve to be disciplined?

Yes. She did. Next.

The question is: Was the officer's reaction inappropriately out of proportion to the offense?

Regardless of your answer, that is the only question on the table that anyone disagrees about.
Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on October 28, 2015 at 9:24am

...would have imagined that in late 2015, the Federal Bureau of Investigation would be doing its thing in connection with a routine exercise in classroom discipline occurring this week in South Carolina.

So Gordo, you are saying that the FBI should only be involved investigating those actions/organizations that you right wing asshats find offensive?    Silly little things like human and constitutional rights violations just don't cut it, right?

Comment by nerd cred on October 28, 2015 at 9:38am

That's great - sassy kids need to be thrown around the room. That's the way to raise 'em. (Throw in a kick or too, too, if they piss you off enough.)

I don't want to live in your world.

Comment by Arthur James on October 28, 2015 at 9:48am

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Comment by koshersalaami on October 28, 2015 at 11:30am

What if the student had taken out an Uzi and gunned down the rest of the classroom, would the officer's actions be justified? Yes, though the officers who arrested Dylann Roof after he murdered nine people were considerably gentler with him, even though this young lady did not in fact take out an Uzi and shoot anyone. 

What if the student were a North Korean agent who, through the use of her cell phone, managed to call in an airstrike that killed everyone else in the school, would the officer's actions be justified?

We can play this all day. 

If the local people/sheriff/school system took care of this incident, and that's the End of discussion, why are you still discussing this?

Comment by Gordon Osmond on October 28, 2015 at 12:05pm

" don't want to live in your world."  Believe me, nerd cred, you don't.

Thanks joisey for injecting a bit of common sense into the "discussion."

Comment by Gordon Osmond on October 29, 2015 at 6:23am

Does any honest person imagine for a moment that we'd ever be hearing about this if a black officer had disciplined a white student?

P.S. Last I heard the brat had not been "slaughtered."

Comment by mishima666 on October 29, 2015 at 5:17pm
Kosher writes: "Was the officer's reaction inappropriately out of proportion to the offense?"

The girl wasn't being disciplined for an offense. She was being subjected to the standard "continuum of force" used by police officers.

Not everything is on the tape. My understanding is that the officer first used his presence and requested that she comply. That didn't work, so he then used a command tone of voice a couple of times to obtain compliance. That didn't work either. After that, the continuum of force gets physical, and the non-compliant subject becomes very unhappy.

The officer got fired, but I suspect he'll be reinstated after suing for wrongful termination.

I think the lesson here is that if you don't want students subjected to the continuum of force, then don't call the police into the classroom.

It's like the old saying about the army: what the army does is kill people and destroy things. If you don't want that done, don't call the army.
Comment by mishima666 on October 29, 2015 at 5:25pm
Joisey writes: "Some called those of us warning that the Trayvon Martin encounter might have multiple dimensions "idiots" because we "obviously" were blind to what could easily be deduced from the early news reports."

Amen to that. And as it turned out, most of what was reported and repeated about that situation proved to be false. Nonetheless, much of the Trayvon mythology persists today. Sometimes initial impressions are almost impossible to change.

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