The phrase 'white privelege' isn't broad or expansive enough to cover the full range of the social, political, economic, psychlogical, and emotional impact and consequences of  centuries of race based subjugation and slavery.

I have asserted that white privilege is the manifestation and measure of what is commonly known as the 'American Dream', and to the extent that black people cannot share or participate in the exercise of said privilege, the much ballyhooed 'American Dream' comes to white people at the expense of black people as a consequence of the American system of exclusions and denials.

I have posted, reposted, and posted again what must seem to many here like volumes of material in support of the proposition that it falls to so-called progressive non-racist and anti-racist white folks to rise up and speak out against the perpetuation and perpetration of racism and racial bigotry.

There can be no other or alternative solution or resolution of the ptoblems and issues and threats to the country and civil society.

Many, if not most, here have agreed with that assertion.

So, here's the question:

When someone like Doc Vega authors and publishes a post entitled  "The Myth of White Privilege "; in your own house, under your own roof:

http://oursalon.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-myth-of-white-privilege

Where are the sharp retorts and scathing rebuttals?

I don't mean snarky comments repleat with vile epithets and obscene invective. I am talking about well reasoned, well worded, well constructed, well  articulated reactions and responses to a tome that is as dangerous as it is dumb.

Once again I am reminded of the words of MLK:

"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."



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Comment by Ron Powell on November 16, 2017 at 9:35am

Need help with reacting or responding to people like Vega?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1505346592/ref=mp_s_a_1_10?qid=14537...

If you can't afford to buy it, next time you're at your local library,  request, as a taxpayer, that they acquire a copy or two for the reference room or the lending shelves....

Comment by koshersalaami on November 16, 2017 at 11:06am

To what end? 

Do you want to reach Vega or his audience? 

I just finished a long argument with him about his equating President Obama with Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, and Stalin, not to mention recent arguments over Trayvon Martin. I don't think Vega is reachable, and his last post was so over the top that I just followed Jon's lead and resorted to sarcasm. The t was more efficient cas ent than the alternative.

In terms of his audience, who? We'll know there's an issue if someone here expresses support for that post and there aren't exactly a lot of candidates for that. 

Sarcasm isn't silence, though in his case, silence might very well be a better strategem. Actually, I'm pretty sure it would be. If we didn't comment there, he'd be stuck with an echo chamber.

Have you responded at his post yet?

I've been down your road in this respect. If someone says I owe the world an apology because I'm a Jew, as someone did here, it's not like anyone was going to jump to my defense unless I made it an issue. 

Whose back do you have?

Comment by Ron Powell on November 16, 2017 at 11:32am

@Kosh;  There are times when the purpose of the post/ comment  isn't to "reach" an audience  but to express either disagreement or approval simply for the sake of doing so...

Many people here are aware' of Veag's posture and choose not to comment for a variety of reasons...

My post is an admonishment. I'm saying that people here who declare themselves to be anti-racism and politically progressive can't continue to remain silent and expect to retain credibility. 

That does not fit your posture or profile and you should know that this post in no way applies to you or your efforts re exchanges with Vega....

It's those who would take issue with me re my posture re race and racism while claiming to "get it"" but are silent re the posts and comments of some one like Vega..

You should have automatically known that the shoe doesn't fit you when you saw my comment...

"Whose back do you have?"

When I can understandthe  nature of the dispute I will have the back of those who I feel have mine....

Especially if the dispute involves an issue with which I'm familiar and in which I'm grounded and have expressed a commitment one way or the other on the matter ....

Comment by koshersalaami on November 16, 2017 at 1:18pm

Ron,

Given that no one has answered Doc on his post in the way you mean (last I looked, they may have since) and given that my answer to him could easily be classified as snark, I assumed I was part of those admonished. Glad not to be.

For most of his posts I might advise silence, even though I don't follow my own advice. However, I have to admit that if he'd written a post saying that antisemitism was overblown or that gay rights was an overblown cause, I'd expect a response, not that my expectation would be justified. Most of the time that expectation isn't. 

Does expressing disapproval for the sake of doing so make sense? I do it but we opinionated loudmouths are in that habit. In this case, what are the ramifications of silence? I'm of two minds. One is that I think this is a violation of community standards, but I never get anywhere thinking that. The other is that I'm not sure in whose case here we can assume that silence indicates agreement.  In most cases it indicates not wanting either to waste time or to get aggravated arguing with someone mostly dismissed as a crackpot. 

Personally, I think reaching an audience is most of the point because the nature of communication entails more than one party. 

Comment by Ron Powell on November 16, 2017 at 3:27pm

@Kosh;  My thinking here is rather simple : People like Vega assume that silence is approval and acceptance...

He needs to be told as frequently and as often as he writes by those who he believes to be his audience that what he has written is being met with disapproval and disdain...

He's immune to thedisagreement he gets from us. He expects, anticipates and revels in the opportunity to extend his rant to vituperation and name calling.

To him, we are the old hat, 'official' ,decriers of his bunk. However, there are many here h e hasn't heard from and he dotes and floats on the self induced illusion that many if not all of those who are silent either agree with him or are frightened by the prospect of arguing with him publicly and defending themselves fom his unabashred, unabated , and unwarranted bombast of ugly and obscene epithets and invective...

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on November 16, 2017 at 3:55pm

I believe I sharply retorted, and I did so even as going to his page forces me to take a hot shower. (Now, should someone not find my sharp retort, couched in sarcasm in this case, sufficient...well, tough.)

Comment by Maui Surfer on November 16, 2017 at 4:47pm

Ron- yes, it is snarky but not unrealistic to think Vega is a Russian Troll. Or, is simply one of their brainwashed and whitewashed army of credulous fools, and I use that term dictionary style not tongue in cheek, so, mea culpa for my comment on a very serious topic.

The answer is both simple and bordering on the impossible- how do you explain to a brainwashed and scared to death economically fearful and generationally prejudiced population of very insecure white AmeriKKKans that nearly everything they have been taught are total lies. It starts with the "Discovery" of North America, is made absolutely disgusting by first the Native slaughter, then the enslavement best illustrated by the Lynch Letter (why is not that not printed in every AmeriKKKan textbook on herstory every distributed? How could it not be? What could possibly be more relevant? Obviously, it is because we are actually talking about AmeriKKKa and not the USA, which is now actually ruled by a Confederate Yankee). When will the complete and total lies of the Dunning School, brainwashed into elementary school students, then verified all the way up to the Ivy League, be exposed? All the documents proving them to be  manufactured falsehoods exist, well, many have attempted to be destroyed but we have more than enough to prove the truth. The answer is cowardice. When the questions are posed correctly psychologically, Hater Whites admit their real fear is revenge, that the black and red man, and Hawaiian, will come for them the way they KNOW they were went for by their predecessors. We live in a world where credulous, imbecilic, scared to death, sucker born every minute saps dish out hate to hide their own fears. Change that, and the struggle is over.

Comment by Ron Powell on November 16, 2017 at 5:04pm

.@JW; People like Vega rarely if ever fully comprehend or appreciatecsarcasm...

Way too much nuance...

What happens is you get a reply that is a complete ninsequitor usually ending with a vile epithet of one kind or another..The intention is to draw you away from a meaniful criticism and into a pis sing contest or shouting match which generally concludes with a vile epithet of one kind or another...

Vega and his ilk don't want to argue or debate within the framework of civil discourse or civil rules of engagement.

What they want is bluster, bombast and bullshit heap up on top of bullshit...

The conversion or discussion goes nowhere ergo they win because you weren't able to move them. And that's the problem, stop trying tbe persuasive and convincing... Make the case and be done with it .

Even the casual reader will easily be able to tell who's  the idiot and who's the intellect. 

Comment by Ron Powell on November 16, 2017 at 5:10pm

@ms; The evidence brought to bear on the "Lynch Letter" suggests that it may not be authentic....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lynch_speech

Beyond that, see my response addressed to  Wolfman.. ..

 

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