"Deus, Pater misericordiárum, qui per mortem et resurrectiónem Fílii sui mundum sibi reconciliávit et Spíritum Sanctum effúdit in remissiónem peccatórum, per ministérium Ecclésiæ indulgéntiam tibi tríbuat et pacem...."

From the fixed formula for sacramental absolution adopted after the 1970 liturgical reforms in the Catholic Church.

"For a valid reception of general absolution, the penitent must be contrite for all his mortal sins and have the resolution to confess, at the earliest opportunity, each of those mortal sins forgiven in general absolution. Anyone receiving general absolution is also required to make a complete individual confession to a priest as soon as possible. An historical example is the absolution given by Fr. William Corby to the Irish Brigade during the Battle of Gettysburg in 1863. Contemporary examples of general absolution are theThree Mile Island nuclear accident, where general absolution was granted to all Catholics endangered by the incident,[3] and the FDNY firefighters, many of whom were Italian and Irish, who were granted general absolution by local priests before heading into the burning World Trade towers on September 11, 2001."

----Wikipedia

I have said that re the issues of racism and racial bigotry, the country must experience a collective epiphany and catharsis before the matters are, or can be resolved.

Seeking absolution before this occurs is quite premature.

A clear case of putting the cart before the horse.

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Comment by Ron Powell on October 7, 2017 at 8:30am

And so the struggle for social justice continues....

Comment by Ron Powell on October 7, 2017 at 8:49am

"There will be no epiphany."

You would do well to speak for yourself....

There are those who are beginning to see the light...

How unfortunate it is that you, apparently, are not among them.

Catharsis: elimination of a complex by bringing it to consciousness and affording it expression...

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Epiphany: a moment in which you suddenly see or understand something in a new or very clear way....

Comment by koshersalaami on October 7, 2017 at 9:02am

Racism or, more accurately, bigotry will never be eliminated. Neither will murder. However, it is absolutely feasible that both be reduced. It's been done.

As regards absolution: If you belong to a religion that requires absolution to get into Heaven and you about to embark on a life-threatening venture like going up into the burning WTC, pre-Absolution males complete sense. 

Comment by Ron Powell on October 7, 2017 at 9:24am

@Kosh;

I used the Catholic concept of absolution because it best illustrates the point I'm making here.:

"For a valid reception of general absolution, the penitent must be contrite for all his mortal sins and have the resolution to confess, at the earliest opportunity, each of those mortal sins forgiven in general absolution. Anyone receiving general absolution is also required to make a complete individual confession to a priest as soon as possible."

From the post above---

In this regard absolutuon, or forgiveness if you prefer, cannot occur without acknowledgement and admission of sin or guilt.

As with the issuance of an executive pardon, the person pardoned must admit guilt for the pardon to take effect.

There can be no healing without the recognition and acknowledgement  of the injury.

Comment by koshersalaami on October 7, 2017 at 9:42am

Are you talking general absolution for the nation on racism, which is completely inappropriate, or individual absolution for guys running into burning buildings? If that guy's on his way into a burning building that's just been hit by a jet plane to attempt rescues at a severe risk to his own life, I'm not inclined to hold him accountable for much. 

But this approach has its risks. How you define heroism becomes important because this approach can be abused in a hurry, like by the police expecting general absolution on the grounds of having a "heroic" occupation. Shooting that unarmed Black driver running away from you is not heroically contributing to public safety. 

Comment by nanatehay on October 7, 2017 at 10:17am

You are an arrogant bigot, Ron. Fuck you and your absolution in the nose.

Comment by Ron Powell on October 7, 2017 at 11:28am

@Kosh; "Are you talking general absolution for the nation on racism, which is completely inappropriate."

Even if I were talking about national absolution, thatcouldn't happen withou a significant number of people moving toward individual or personal absolutuon.

I'm talking about individuals who seem to seek absolution re the ills of societal or systemic racism without acknowledgement of the harm or injury caused by individual complicity whether active or passive... 

If people don't " own it" as Amy might say,  how or why should they bother to engage in the nexessary and ongoing process of "fixing" it?

Too many people have found or created ways to view themselves as "exceptions" or themselves as "exempt" from any form of acknowledgement or admission.

Comment by Ron Powell on October 7, 2017 at 11:35am

TM; How is acknowledgement of the wrong and harm done by racism "revenge"?

I believe that I told you once before:

I AM THE REAL WORLD!

You perceive yourself as living the American Dream...

Which is either a fantasy or a lie.

Comment by Ron Powell on October 7, 2017 at 11:39am

@nanatehay; If that's the best you can do or the best you have to offer, you failed again....miserably.

Comment by koshersalaami on October 7, 2017 at 12:00pm

I don't understand the point of the post. What absolution are we talking about here? Are we talking religious absolution? Given the author, I doubt it - the idea that you could be telling those on this site that they need to repent in order to get God's forgiveness strikes me as unlikely. You're not big on theological discussions. 

If not religious or divine absolution, what kind? Absolution from you about racism? 

Who is looking for absolution from you about racism? I realize that you think most people should be but I'm not sure I know anyone here who is.

That's the real world. 

I don't think you're capable of getting them to seek absolution from you, nor do I think you are capable of making them think that not seeking absolution from you is racist. 

There are racial arguments to be won, some of them here, but I don't think this one is. 

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