"...There is no rational, fact based way of countering an argument that sees healthcare as a privilege..."

Rodney Roe

http://oursalon.ning.com/profiles/blogs/healthcare-reform-who-do-yo...

The second paragraph of the United States Declaration of Independence starts as follows: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."

There is no rational, fact based argument for this radical and revolutionary assertion.

The issues and narratives regarding health-care are currently predicated on a model and paradigm that involves the profits and profit motives of insurers.

Health-care insurance may be deemed a privilege. However, health-care should be characterized as and deemed a natural human right.

If all human beings are endowed with the unalienable right to life, then it must follow that we have, as a matter of right, that which is necessary to support and sustain life namely: food, clothing, shelter, and health-care.

NOT HEALTH CARE COVERAGE!!!

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Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on September 18, 2017 at 5:53am

...health-care should be characterized as and deemed a natural human right.

BOOM!  Nailed it!  

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Comment by Ron Powell on September 18, 2017 at 8:44am

Thanks Amy...

Comment by Ron Powell on September 18, 2017 at 8:50am

@TM;  "...how does healthcare get to a poor family in the Appalachians?

How does a poor family in the Appalachians exercise the right to vote?

You're conflating, or confusing, principles with logistics.....again.

Comment by Ron Powell on September 18, 2017 at 9:55am

I owned and operated my own business for seven years before I decided to sell my controlling interest to my partner....

You are an AETNA hirling with more layers of managerial supervision to answer to than you have fingers...

I know because I headed a department in the banking division in the AETNA corporate headquarters in Hartford CT...

While at AETNA, I created and implemented a way of doing, not just the work of my unit, but the way in which the insurance industry does its business in what was my little corner of the operation.. ..

It was quite revolutionary and I put AETNA well ahead of the curve with my innovation which was pooh poohed and scoffed at when I first made the proposal...

They laughed at the ideas as they told me to go ahead and try because they were convinced that nothing would come of the effort...

When all was said and done , I was grudgingly awarded a performance bonus because my work resulted in my being responsible for generating sufficient revenue to bail out a unit in the investment banking division tha made a bad investment choice which resulted in a sizable shortfall....

I could add more but I believe you get the point...

If you're kind of thinking was prevalent in 1776 we'd still be subjects of the British Crown...

YES YOU ARE CONFLATING AND CONFUSING...

Articulation and adoption of revolultionary principles and concepts will always preceed implementation and execution....

Universal health care as a human right will be no different...

Get on board or get out of the way....

Comment by Ron Powell on September 18, 2017 at 11:59am

Sorry TM, my mistake. You're somebody else's hirling...

The British may have abolished slavery sooner, but it had no impact on the racist attitudes and behaviors re their "colonial possessions"....

Re socialized medicine:

Let'sdo it...Bring it on...

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on September 18, 2017 at 1:06pm

LOLOLOL...  yeah, lets blame the people in Russian back in 1917 for Putin...  that makes total sense. NOT.

How about this, dumbass (which clearly is directed at Terry the self-glorifying insurance agent), have the government spend $32 trillion for single payer Medicare-For-All and pay for it from the $49 trillion dollars that Americans spend on the current healthcare system.  The remaining $17 trillion can pay to train thousands upon thousands or new doctors and nurses (or ::gasp:: allow them to immigrate here) and to build hundreds and hundreds of new medical facilities.  

Heck, we can even use some of it to retrain some of the hack slubs like you when when the health insurance industry goes broke because you and your ilk can no longer screw over the American people.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on September 18, 2017 at 1:17pm

BTW, Terrance...  are you saying the the US of A can do what 2nd world countries like Slovenia, the Czech Republic and freaking Turkey already HAVE done???

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P.S.  An insurance agent telling a guy condescendingly sneering at a guy who not only has held a higher position in the same industry, but is vastly more educated, sure shows where you are coming from (which is a place that reeks of white privileged)

Comment by koshersalaami on September 18, 2017 at 4:54pm

How exactly did race make it into an argument about logistics? 

Principles without logistics = posturing. The point becomes worth something when you start worrying about How, not just Why. That is a fully legitimate question. 

As questions go, "How do we get there?" is critical. 

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on September 18, 2017 at 5:24pm

KB, if you refuse to ONCE AGAIN acknowledge TM's snidely stated white privilege that is all on you, not me.

As for "logistics"?  For Terry's eeyore-ish “It’s all for naught.” complaints, what was wrong with Ron's example?  WTF do you want?  Names of doctors and blue prints for better hospitals?  

Or is it my "actually tax Big corp & the 1% and tax the rest of us people the equivalent of our health insurance premiums" which will generate a LOT more money then it will take to fix the fucking thing once and for all?

Comment by Ron Powell on September 19, 2017 at 2:55am

 @Kosh;  Re How did race get in:

TM: "If we had stayed with Britain, the slaves would have been freed decades earlier and we'd have socialized medicine."


RON: "The British may have abolished slavery sooner, but it had no impact on the racist attitudes and behaviors re their 'colonial possessions'... "

"Principles without logistics = posturing."

Interesting proposition.

Do you suppose Jefferson had logistics in mind when he wrote, "All men are created equal...."

Or,  was he merely "posturing"?

People have been fighting and dying to defend and preserve that principle ever since Jefferson articulated it....

And ...

As the American revolutionaries did, they've done so whether they were in a favorable position logistically or not.

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