Paris Attacks--Needed and Unneeded Responses

Paris Attacks—Needed and Unneeded Responses

For the second time in a year, Paris has been the scene of murderous attacks by Islamic terrorists.

What we don’t need:

Pious words of sympathy and support by politicians, particularly by one who, days before, evidenced his epic lack of understanding and judgment by saying that ISIS terrorists were being “contained.” If it weren’t so tragic, it would be comic. Friends and family members of the fallen and injured are not comforted by political posturing; if anything, it makes their loss more bitter. Obama and the Ketchup Consort would be better advised to shut the fuck up and await the moment when the public’s notoriously short memory span will forget just how thoroughly they have mismanaged foreign affairs since their installation.

Micro dissection of the details of the attack and consequent carnage on the part of the media. It’s ghoulish.

What we need:

An intelligent recognition of why Islamic terrorism is happening. The fact is that these savages are under the impression that it is the West, not they, who are evil. They consider their terrorism as self-defense, a concept that is honored not only in the West but also by Islam. Somehow, these terrorists must learn by aggressive educational initiatives, that whatever imagined crimes the West has leveled against them pale in comparison to the aggression they are perpetrating. As Israel’s leader wisely put it, if Islam stopped attacking, peace would prevail in the area; if Israel laid down their weapons, the country would be wiped off the map, as Islam’s demented leaders have hoped and posited as objectives.

Selective immigration policies regarding refugees. It’s insanity for any country to allow entry to un-vetted individuals whether designated as refugees or not. Entry into France, Germany, Italy, the U.S. or any other civilized country whose citizens have worked diligently to create a prosperous and civilized way of life is NOT a human right that any foreigner can exercise.

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Comment by JMac1949 Today on November 14, 2015 at 10:54am

When it comes to war I tend to listen to the survivors:

Comment by koshersalaami on November 14, 2015 at 11:28am

You want to know why Islamic terrorism is happening? 

I read in an academic article many years ago that the best predictor of terrorism is not the oppression of a population but its humiliation. You take a large regional population, govern them almost entirely with fairly oppressive governments, divide them into countries where the boundaries so badly fit with ethnic population boundaries that damned near every country ends up with minorities treated like crap, and handle their economies so badly that every other region of the world without exception improves faster than they do. Have the West invade and interfere periodically in order to make sure a lot of economic gains don't stay home. Then, just to show them how ineptly they're performing compared to the rest of the world, open up a sliver of a country along the Mediterranean coast that turns into a military and technological powerhouse while they stagnate and go nowhere, leading their governments to focus on the sliver as a way to avoid committing resources toward real economic and political improvement in their own countries. 

Now populations leave the Middle East, in part because Sunnis think that the Shiites have basically won and they see no place for themselves. Mostly they go to Europe. In Europe, they can live for generations and still be passed over for jobs. Out of being treated like crap at home and into being treated like crap where they have more money but they're second class citizens so they have someone local to resent.

Now you've got a large young male population, angry, hopeless, cynical, humiliated. And along come the fundamentalists, telling them:

"Forget the secular world. It's stacked against you and it's only temporary anyway. Serve Allah, and in this hierarchy, the real hierarchy, instead of stagnating near the bottom you can be princes near the top, important and virtuous men out to change the world. Those people who oppress you and embarrass you? You will rule them or kill them. And as you do this Sacred Thing, if you are killed doing so you will be rewarded forever."

Though this is not necessarily a good reading of Qur'an by a long shot, that's almost beside the point, because these circumstances very specifically result in the success of draconian readings. 

That's my reading on why we have the problem. 

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on November 14, 2015 at 12:18pm

You ignorant, asshats with your rants against " Islamic terrorism"...  what faux-righteousness y'all spew by playing "Lets all blame the raghead!" game.

Was it terrorism in Paris?  Oh hell yeah, but if you are going to start blaming and attacking specific religions them the Jews, Christians and Hindus best be attacked at the exact same time (that is unless you are a utter hypocrite) because they have all murdered a whole hell of a lot more people.

ISIS/ISIL aren't Islam.  In fact they have been soundly and loudly condemned by virtually every Mullah, Iman and cleric in the Muslim world.  

What they are is a bunch of murderous Apocalypstics who are guided, supplied and armed by the likes of Saudi Arabia and Israel.  They are proxy shock troops created by the US who we have trained and encouraged to unseat Assad...  but, just like every Frankenstein monster the US creates they got away from our control.

BTW, where was the out cry from y'all when these same murderous thugs killed 40 and injured 239 people in Beirut on Thursday?    That was ISIS/ISIL murdering fellow Muslims (so yeah, I know brown skinned, sand niggers don't really count, right?)...  just like they are killing fellow Muslims in Syria and Iraq.   So, that kinda puts the lie to your ISLAMIC terrorism bullshit, don't it!?


Comment by JMac1949 Today on November 14, 2015 at 12:28pm

Don't hold back, Amy.  Reality check: ISIS/ISIL , Al Qaeda, Taliban, Boka Haram  and their ilk have murdered more Muslims than Christians and Jews by an order of magnitude.  Second reality check: Your chances of being struck by lightning are significantly greater than being killed by a terrorist of any persuasion.  When are the poliicians coming out with declarations of a "War on Lightning"?

Comment by koshersalaami on November 14, 2015 at 12:38pm
Excellent question.
Where were you when these same murderous thugs killed 40 and injured 239 people in Beirut on Thursday? I guarantee you that if Israel had done something like that we'd have heard plenty.
Comment by koshersalaami on November 14, 2015 at 12:44pm
By the way, has anyone heard anything about the Paris attacks being considered war on France and thereby activating NATO obligations? I overheard someone talking about that and I'm curious if this is actually a thing.
Comment by JMac1949 Today on November 14, 2015 at 12:51pm

We already invoked the whole NATO thing in Afghanistan and aside from Syria and Russia, all airstrikes in Syria and Iraq are being carried out by members of NATO.

Comment by Rob Wittmann on November 14, 2015 at 1:02pm

I'm reminded of the 1930s. Many Westerners, feeling bad about the way they treated Germany at Versailles, tried to "understand" why Hitler was doing certain things. They would say "its wrong that he invaded Czechoslovakia, but after all, the French did occupy the Saar, which made Germany feel very defensive."  Some would say, "Germany is marginalizing Jews, but its no different from what we British or French do to Blacks in our colonies in Africa, so who are we to judge?" Others would say, "Sure Germany is re-arming. But we British and French have maintained large armies which has made Germany feel insecure, so of course they are quadrupling the size of their army, navy and air-force." Some highly reputable and moderate politicians blamed Churchill's bellicose statements about Germany in 1937 and 1938 as making Hitler very insecure, and being the primary reason why Germany was lashing out at her neighbors in "self-defense."

Blaming yourself for the actions of another is a form of twisted and misdirected egocentrism. To a degree its true. But its like blaming a rape victim for a rape.

People told us to withdraw from Iraq, so as to undo what Bush did. Liberals and pacifists demanded it. Sunni and Shia demanded it. Then we pulled out and a vacuum was formed. The Shia and Iranians filled it and they ostracized the Sunnis. The Saudis, AQ and ex-Baathists, trying to balance against the Iranians and their Shia proxies, helped create ISIS.

We should have kept Saddam Hussein in power and made a deal with him. He kept a lock on that Pandora's Box. The worst thing we ever did was re-open the Pandora's Box of tribal, ethnic and religious hatred that followed in the wake of the Ottoman collapse. The Turks handled the region well. Since that time, Western mandates did a poor job of governing. Many of the home-grown monarchies fared poorly, too. Only a handful of leaders were able to maintain order and stability---the first requirement of any society. We could've had an "understanding" with Saddam, in much the same way that various warring mafia families make peace and come to an "understanding' with eachother.

We should have never destabilized Iraq and removed Saddam.

Once we were there, and idiotically gutted all their bureaucracy, infrastructure, domestic security and domestic intelligence agencies, we should not have left until we were certain that the government could maintain the peace.

In hindsight, we probably should have partitioned the nation and divided it up between Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia/Kuwait and Syria.

And we shouldn't have tried to destabilize Syria. We should have bolstered Assad and found other ways to weaken Hezbollah.

Putin's understanding of the situation, which he has publicly stated, is the correct one.

The problem is that the Saudis are fighting a regional Cold War against the Iranians. The problem is that the Sunni radicals funded by the Saudis are more prone to being anarchic loose-cannons that cannot be reigned in and which bite the hand that feeds them. The Shia radicals funded by Iran are hierarchically organized and obey Tehran. Tehran can control their radicals. The Saudis can't. As such, its probably better to work with Tehran, in the short-term. Because the Saudi method of funding and arming proxies is more likely to result in catastrophic blowback against almost everybody.

Comment by Hannu Virtanen on November 14, 2015 at 1:03pm

I think that we don't know yet at all, if it was isis, who did it. There are other suspects, too.

If one shouts Alllah akabar', it doesn't necessarily mean that the person knows anything about Islam or isis either.

I think that one must think, who would think to gain from this terror act.

Certainly at least right wing groups of France and of whole Europe would think to gain;  they want to close borders from asylum seekers. Who others? Isis maybe not so much, because their situation in the Middle East will become now worse..?

Comment by koshersalaami on November 14, 2015 at 1:10pm
ISIS gains by it because they look powerful and like a credible threat. They also gain recruits because a lot of disaffected young people will see ISIS as actually striking at who they view as the real enemy.

so you think European right wing organizations will kill a hundred or two of their own countrymen? And you think everyone reliably keeps that a secret? Cost/benefit analysis: If a right wing European group did this and got caught, that group's political future would instantly cease to exist. Too much to lose.


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