Rachel Maddow? Left -wing? Were there a true Left-wing, it would be profaneblasphemous to give her a free pass to ride shotgun like some sort of left-wing saint or temptress.

Case in point, TRMS citing The New Yorker's 'Christopher Steele, the Man Behing the Dossier':

...Russian interference in foreign elections, it cautioned, was only 'likely to grow in size and reach over time'.

yes, ms. maddow that's an appalling prospect when you stack that "interference" on top of all our own fascUSt$ meddling with "our democracy" shaping it into their fascUSt hypocrUSy.

Ok butch, you laid on with your contempt for maybe twenty million or $o worth of social network meddling in meso-n. America's fiasco of biennial mockery of democracy, have you no venom remaining to chide your own nation's villians with trillion$ corrupting with billion$ your grandest idea of what an honest and true democracy should produce in this country whose genocidal culture has evolved to be unparalled by any species since the beginning of human DNA ?

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Comment by koshersalaami on March 5, 2018 at 10:34pm

What’s your suggestion, that we simply allow this interference? We can’t, just out of national interest. We’re not about to implode because of what we did to Russia. 

The issue isn’t Russia. The issue is American collusion with Russian interference in America. What Russians do in that regard is simply self-interest, but what Americans do to support it is treason. Expecting Russian loyalty to America is ridiculous, but expecting the loyalty of American officials to America is anything but. America is their constituency. America is their responsibility. 

And interference in Democracy, which the Russians are certainly guilty of, is a negative thing. Maddow should be pointing that out. 

America has made a mockery of democracy. We can prove that by the numbers: poll information shows that the concerns of the majority of the public, the vast majority of the public, are not met by public officials but the concerns of the wealthy are. However, that lack of democracy has not led to serious oppression. We have freedom of the press and freedom of speech and, at this point, both are completely genuine. There are large parts of the world where the freedoms we still enjoy are not enjoyed and it is hypocritical of us to forget that. Offering opinions frequently offered in the United States would not be a safe thing to do in Russia and keep in mind that a major political opponent of Putin was murdered on the street a few years ago. It is absolutely not a safe thing in China, but somehow their human rights record isn’t talked about all that much. I can’t say I believe in judging the United States with standards that are not generally applied to the world. 

This is not to say that the United States doesn’t interfere militarily in most of the rest of the world, or that I think that’s justified. We treat our own with standards that we don’t treat the rest of the world with. 

In terms of genocide, it’s been quite a while since the United States tried to exterminate a population. The United States can certainly be accused of bigotry, but I’m afraid that’s utterly unexceptional. Not that we shouldn’t be vigilant about it because bigotry is intrinsically a bad thing, but from an international comparative standpoint we are better than most in terms of how we treat most of our minorities. We still do a way better job of integrating immigrants than any country in Europe, quite possibly better than any country outside the Western Hemisphere. 

Demonizing America reflexively is no more intellectually valid than promoting America reflexively is. The key word here is “reflexively.” Reflex isn’t about thought but we should be. 

Comment by moki ikom on March 5, 2018 at 11:23pm

Allow such meddling on the periphery verses ignoring the cancer that is US at its core?  If it makes for cyber or actual warfare for a foreign entity spending a million bucks a month in social media advertising, hiring trolls and renting bots to determine the outcome of a u.s. presidential election,  then we might as well be flipping a coin to determine who is 'elected'.  Oh wait, we did that already in Gore vs. Bush2, remember?  Who read the flip on that one?  

Meanwhile, during the course of the early 20CE Russian revolution and virtually nonstop ever since, u.s. terrorUSt$ have maligned Russia in every way conceivable and inconceivable, so it is a sick joke at best that terrorUSt would cry dragon tears about being an innocent victim of 'Russian (not even Russia govt, but "Russian") meddling'.  

Kosh, a simple yes or no here will suffice: Do you believe Russia's international arrest warrant for hedge fund manager British citizen Bill Browder via Interpol can be justified?  

If you can't do a simple yes or no, please don't bother.

Comment by moki ikom on March 5, 2018 at 11:44pm

"The issue isn’t Russia. The issue is American collusion with Russian interference in America."

Seriously? So, is this $120mln about stopping American citizens committing treason by colluding (again, in 2018, 2020?) with Russian (oligarchial entities or govt or both) interests:

State Dept. Was Granted $120 Million to Fight Russian Meddling. It ...

1 day ago - WASHINGTON — As Russia's virtual war against the United States continues unabated with the midterm elections approaching, the State Department has yet to spend any of the $120 million it has been allocated since late 2016 to counter foreign efforts to meddle in elections or sow distrust in democracy.

.

The allegation "sow distrust in democracy" as it relates to Russia and our elections makes me want to puke. You ever run for public office in these United States? No? ...give it a try, at least once, then come back to preach to me about this great democrUSy.  In the meantime, we can debate which nations are demonic and which are virginally pure.

Comment by moki ikom on March 6, 2018 at 12:04am

You kosh do this regarding "genocide" invariably: " ... genocide (is only when an attempt is made) to exterminate a population."  

You invariably argue against the common definition: the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.  < That definition doesn't suit your upper case H holocaustic "pity us Zionazi ideologues, or not, we got our nukes and you can just suck our toes and wish you had elected officials who loved you as much as they fear us."

Comment by koshersalaami on March 6, 2018 at 6:38am

You should read what I actually write, not whom I defend but why. What part of “America has made a mockery of Democracy” don’t you understand? 

That is not the common definition of genocide. At this point, if we call that a common definition, there are now at least three definitions. The UN definition doesn’t even specify killing at all, and all I care is that the conversation happen with a shared definition, which it usually doesn’t. 

So let’s use your definition. Which deliberate killing of a large group of people of a particular ethnic group or nation are you accusing the United States of recently? I can think of groups within the United States who certainly face a great deal of discrimination but not that the Government is attempting to kill in large numbers. 

I can’t answer the Browder question because I don’t know who he is. Having just looked him up on Wikipedia, if that account is accurate I would say that the arrest can’t be justified, but that’s from two minutes of skimming one source. 

When I discuss nuclear weapons in the hands of Israel, I do so in the context of predicting policy and providing reasoning for that prediction, not in the context of making a moral judgment. Like some others here, you seem to have a problem differentiating between analysis and advocacy. When I discuss Israel, I spend a great deal more time talking about what I think will and won’t work and why than I do advocating. If you want to be antizionist, fine, but that doesn’t give you the right to mischaracterize my stands. I am extremely blatant about my views and pretty comprehensive, so I would not advise assuming what I think based on what else I’ve said. As I said at the beginning of this comment, you should read what I actually write. 

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on March 6, 2018 at 6:49am

Ok butch...

You lost all credibility (and made me stop reading or giving a rat's ass about what you are trying to say) as soon as you went full homophobe, there asshole.  

At least it is good that KS is having a dialog with you without saying shit about your homophobic hate speech.  It proves just how biased and false his pro-LGBTQ ally BS really is.  It also kind of dries up his crocodile tears over any terms that he might use to scream "antisemite!!!!".

Comment by koshersalaami on March 6, 2018 at 8:24am

Shit, I missed the butch reference. I skimmed the last paragraph. 

Comment by J.P. Hart on March 6, 2018 at 10:19am

Post the latest not infrequent AR-15 attack I've had no fortitude to channel flip to hard-right nearly propaganda TV.  As I usually would have in order to garner variant discourse. Journalism minor moi.

Currently, I'm painting a portrait of an elderly dame with a purple finger. Busha (great-grandma as we often would say in the Warsaw-like south side of MKE)  smiling and grand in that woolen headscarf! Our argot-termed grandpas were usually called 'Gha-gha'. More often than not thickly set very humble combat WWII Marine Veterans). And now to be idle during mounting evidence of diabolical usurpation of our most sacred franchise VOTING... would be unacceptable.  My portrait-in-progress was inspired by that Iraqi lady who'd voted for the first time just outside the Green Zone, Baghdad.

Rachel Maddow ought to be a SCOTUS Judge.

moki ikom, are you aware that renown high school coaches can earn 4 & 5 times per annum more than our Congresspeople ? I mean really. Surely there's more to PC discourse than 'collective guilt' by birth right.

Thus far, I've got purple finger waving :)

O & 'amber fields of grain' . . . 

 

Comment by moki ikom on March 6, 2018 at 2:46pm

Kosh,  my sense is that it's closing in on ten years now that i have been reading a lot of what you actually write, be it brilliant or just informative expository, soundly or hypocritically offensive, or soundly or hypocritically defensive.  Even before for sure, but after reading your admission {shock!ng, an admission of ommission by you of all people ;) { immediately following SBA's scolding of me for my using the term 'butch'  that you didn't/don't actually read what I wrote/write,  I have believed you cultivated a knack for skim reading so that you could spend more effort expounding your evolving point of view.  Nothing wrong with that i guess so long as you don't get high and mighty about how well you have read and understood others' writings, then looking down on them from your high perch you proceed to accuse them of not actually reading what you wrote.  At any rate, as long as we're both putting to print our musings on this site, i expect my reading of your writings will continue unabated, even as i may spend a little extra time doing so to better ensure any response it may elicit from me will be respectfully coherent and critically appropriate.

Ok butch,,, bitch is okay but butch is offensive?  They only differ by a single letter so could be a typo sometimes, though not in its cited use above about which you Amy expressed your analusis as to what body part you believe best describes me.  Leaving my grown children out of this matter, it is a fact that my younger than me and only sister isn't named Butch, but she is lesbian and has been for at least the past thirty years and more.  She and her partner of the last twenty and more years would assure you that i am no homophobe but an asshole,, well, who isn't who eats and breaths,, congratulations, you are an asshole too even as colostomy may have relocated your original intestinal exit port, which, unless you're quite happy with its new location i hope for your sake you have not and will not have.  That you Amy ever did read or felt a rodent's butt worth of credibility about anything i ever wrote here kind of blows me away, until now as above you say otherwise i really had not a clue that was a much of a possibility, though admittedly i did misspell "bitch" on purpose because if i'm going to be vilified i'd rather it be with false accusations of me being anti-LBGTq than false accusations of me being a misogynist,,  i fully anticipated being vilified esp by you and not ks for the misspelling of "bitch", to the extent that where i were to call you or Rachel a 'bitch' you'd respond like "Damn right, you asshole futher mucking son of a fart cloud." ;  but, by my saying 'ok butch' you strap on your quiver, hoist your bow and mount the high wire to shower me with anti-cupid arrows.  Thanks for dropping in with your opinion, good to see you back to health atop the seige tower advancing on our common foes. 

Comment by moki ikom on March 6, 2018 at 3:22pm

JP,  your portrait of busha with the purple finger would have me lapsing back into my dream states of "what if" and "if only"  ...

What if Saddam Hussein era folks had been able to choose, to vote for only one of two options, Y or Z

Y:  We Iraqi will deal with our Saddam Hussein, our security in time and place, our future without need of being so-called liberated by U.S. Forces and allies, above all, Israel. 

Z:  We Iraqi cannot deal with our Saddam Hussein, with our insecurity in time and place or with our future without being liberated by U.S. Forces and allies, especially Israel.

 

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