"Maria Magdala" an EP suggestion for James Emmerling

James Emmerling,who spends his time reading ,writing and

contemplating about the books he has read,has written a disquisition

on Maria Magdala,one of the most controversial figures in the circle

of Jesus ,the Nazarene.


I leave it up to Jonathan Wolfman to provide us with an expertise look

at the relationship of these two people.

Kosher has suggested an EP for James,and I agree. Hopefully,this gets


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Comment by JMac1949 Today on March 31, 2013 at 4:12pm

I'd second Kosher's  nomination but since I am the Consigliere to  the James I (JME) Anti-Pope of Boston, it might be misinterpreted as some kind of brown nosing... What the hell it an honorary position and I'm not getting paid... I'll do it anyway.   R&L

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on March 31, 2013 at 4:27pm

Heii  there no dispositive historical evidence that Mary (from the Galilean town, Magdala) was anything more than a follower of the teacher. There's just no evidence that we could call historical in the modern sense of the word, that they were married or were lovers, even though some good scholars do think there's reason to suggest that the gospel  Wedding Scene at (the town of) Cana was Jesus' wedding (later scrun=bbed and altered by redactors).


What is quite clear, though, is that the Mary-as-prostitute mythology is an invention of a generation of Christian writers who lived centuries after the 'stars of the drama' died. There's no reason to think, based on the Gospels themselves, the Mary from Magdala was a prostitute.

Comment by Rosigami on March 31, 2013 at 5:22pm

I had the experience of working with nuns while teaching at a parochial school in New York. In a series of meetings with these extraordinary women, I found that they were extremely open to the idea that Jesus was quite possibly a husband (and perhaps even a father) and were, to a woman, quite sure that Mary Magdalene was probably a woman of means and substance, who regularly opened her own home to Jesus and his followers. The first Church, if you will. 

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on March 31, 2013 at 5:37pm

Rosi  the first churches were w.o much doubt women-run house churches opened to people such as Paul and his companions.


I am certainly not saying that Jesus and Mary from Magdala could not have been intimate:  I'm saying there's no sure evidence for it. 


Clearly some people in Jesus' circle(s) had to have some money, but realize we're talking about relative wealth in a rural backwater. Sephoris was a fairly wealthy town/city in the Galilee, but its wealth had been squeezed by Romans for generations and a well-off family there would not have had much compared to a somewhat well-off Jewish clan in, say, Jerusalem. And Mary, we are told, was from an even poorer town, Magdala.   Nevertheless, Mary and her friends could have hosted Jesus and his friends, but the house-churches were an invention of Paul's time; while Jesus was alive he was not an object of worship...devotion, yes; worship, no.

Comment by Rosigami on March 31, 2013 at 6:07pm

Yes Jon! All of this is very interesting to me. I know a little bit about the history of the era. "Means and substance" for those times could simply describe a respected homeowner, perhaps a widow or the daughter of someone...the later Church made decisions about information that was appallingly self-serving and downright dishonest... isn't it very likely that there were relatively informal gatherings of people held, who could listen to and speak with Jesus? A charismatic conversationalist who inspired devotion, as you say.  

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on March 31, 2013 at 6:23pm

Rosi   I have no doubt that he had a serious following. His story-performances must have been masterful and repeated (as oral literature/performance-art always is) continually. There is no evidence for any Jesus-worship or groups based on his worship in his Jesus' own lifetime .  Peter's "Jesus-Group" at Jerusalem did not ever hold Jesus to be a messiah or God or a son of God.   The first Gsps were written at least 2 yrs after Jesus was murdered.

Comment by Rosigami on March 31, 2013 at 6:27pm

Yep, I see your point!

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on March 31, 2013 at 6:36pm

I mean, of course, that the first Gsps were written at least 20 yrs after Jesus' murder.

Comment by Heidi Banerjee on March 31, 2013 at 11:35pm

Jonathan,thank you for responding to this post and providing us with your expert information.

As for Mary,I have always had the impression that Jesus statuated a precedence case.

And the new pope seems to take Jesus by his word literally.

Comment by Heidi Banerjee on March 31, 2013 at 11:43pm

Rosi,thank you for taking part in this discourse.The nuns you have met must have been of the calibre Jonathan has pointed out .Of course,there have always been intelligent,independant human beings bringing their revutionalizing thoughts among the "sheep".

I have yet to meet a nun who is free in spirit and tolerant towards other religions and viewpoints(and their pupils).The pope cult is off way and this new man,Franciscus,may change it all if he does not get assassinated for his new approach. 


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