This post is Inspired by greenheron who, in a recent comment, wrote:

"White people are blind to black experience, the same way men are blind to women’s experience, but save that one for another time. White people need to stop talking and listen, damp down their defenses and just listen."

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Comment by Ben Sen on April 19, 2017 at 9:26am

I'm much older than Tim Wise and have been practicing the discipline of "listening" with people of color since I saw the city I came from destroyed by racism in 1967.  If you want to see the inevitable result of racism go visit the city of Detroit.  You don't have to say anything, just look.

Comment by JMac1949 Today on April 19, 2017 at 9:49am

R&L, Listening here.

Comment by Terry McKenna on April 19, 2017 at 10:49am

Every so often folks who like to lie to themselves say that want an honest discussion on race.  Most don't.  Ron seems not too.  As a white man, everyone one gets to tell me that I can't understand.  All true.   But useless.  No one truly and completely undestands anyone else.  

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on April 19, 2017 at 11:41am

Great job of "not listening", Terry.  You could be the poster boy for EXACTLY what Tim Wise was talking about. (...and you can stick your "No one truly and completely unde[r]stands anyone else." copout up your ass because you didn't even TRY!)

Face it, dude (...and yeah, I know you never will) your paternalistic, condescending and "entitled" spew got caught, called and bad beat. 

Sadly, apparently WE (I am guilty as hell of this, so I'm including myself too) are more interested in maintaining/proving OUR sense of tokenistic equality instead of treating people of any given race, ethnicity, orientation or religion as TRUE equals.

Bottom line for ALL OF US is that WE need to shut the fuck up and listen MORE.  Deal with it... or not.  

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on April 19, 2017 at 11:42am

BTW, Ron...  I have never head Tim Wise before.  Maybe because he is white he got it across better to me, but he did.  (how sad is that, huh?)

Comment by Ron Powell on April 19, 2017 at 1:33pm

Amy,  That's precisely why I  try to post material of  this nsture. I  know that it is difficult for many here to listen to what I have to say. However Tim Wise is featured in a slew of videos that can br found on YouTube.

Check him out. I believe you'll find him to be worth your rffort.

Thanks for your support....

Comment by Ron Powell on April 19, 2017 at 1:41pm

@JMac; I know you are listening, and I appreciate the fsct that you do...

Thsnks....

Comment by Ron Powell on April 19, 2017 at 4:28pm

@Ben Sen; Detroit may not ever fully recover.... I agree, all you have to do is look.

Comment by koshersalaami on April 19, 2017 at 5:14pm

I've read a lot of Tim Wise. He is effective because he's really good at presenting Black concerns to White audiences. In order to do that, you have to have a pretty good idea how both populations think. I've seen some others do it, though doing it as well as Wise is rare. Nathan McCall comes to mind as someone else really good at this.

However, this post is about something else entirely. It was triggered by a White guy, Terry McKenna, addressing a White audience on behalf of a group of minority children local to him.  Terry's concern isn't cultural but financial:  the Governor wants to reduce funding to this community - Paterson, NJ - and Terry is arguing against this on the grounds that it will affect minority children adversely. With all due respect, Terry doesn't need a Black expert to vet this stance. I sincerely doubt Mr. Wise would claim he did. 

Ron objected to the way Terry couched his pitch to conservative and largely bigoted Whites in his area. However, in terms of understanding the audience in question, this is far more Terry's area of expertise than Ron's. After all, Terry is a formerly conservative White guy from that area. 

Ron's objection was that Terry said that these kids deserved support. Ron thought he should instead say that these kids were entitled to support.

Do you have any idea what conservative White guys think of "entitlements?" From a sales standpoint - and this is a sales function, like it or not - Ron is in essence advising Terry to step on a verbal land mine. 

This advice does not serve the Paterson kids. If anything, it sabotages Terry's pitch. 

Why should Terry be made to feel guilty about not following Ron's advice about talking to a population Terry damned near comes from? 

Terry's issue is not about Black experience. It's about pitching for continued funding from conservative White guys. White experience is more valuable here. 

Wise's advice isn't relevant to this case. 

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on April 19, 2017 at 5:18pm

^^ YAY!!!!  Another paternalistic, condescending, "entitled" "No one truly and completely unde[r]stands anyone else."-er, white guy, NON-LISTENER heard from ^^

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