A comment I read yesterday made me curious about Jewish voters in the last election, so I went looking. I found an article in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz about polling data from a poll commissioned by J Street. The article contained some expected information and some you might find unexpected. 

In the last Presidential election, Hillary Clinton got 70% of the Jewish vote, Donald Trump got 25%. 
The result isn’t surprising, though the size of the split may be. 

This one I found surprising because what I’d been led to believe suggested otherwise:
Clinton got 56% of the Orthodox vote, Trump got 39%. 

This gives you a much better idea of just how little the Neocons represent the Jewish community at large.

What were the results on questions about Israel?

Jewish voters were asked to name their top ten issues in order of importance. In 2016, Israel came in at #8. When I tell you that Israel is not my primary issue, you now know I’m typical. 

Percentage of American Jews who

  • Want the American Government to pressure the Israeli government to make compromises for peace: 53
  • Support the Iranian nuclear deal: 63
  • Favor halting further building in the Settlements: 78
  • Favor a two-state solution: 81

This is who we are.

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Comment by Steel Breeze on April 12, 2018 at 6:35am

woke up today and; everyone was the exact same shade of gray

all evidence of all religion vanished

Trump died

what to write about now? Damn!

Comment by Ron Powell on April 12, 2018 at 7:20am

"In the last Presidential election, Hillary Clinton got 70% of the Jewish vote, Donald Trump got 25%."

By way of comparison:

In the last presidential election, Clinton got 88% of the black vote, Trump got 8%.

The telling figures are in the numbers for Trump who got more than 3 times as many Jewish voters than he did black voters...


1 in 4 Jewish people voted for Trump.

Ho.w do I distinguish between those who voted for an overtly bigoted racist and those who didn't?

Comment by alsoknownas on April 12, 2018 at 7:24am

You either talk directly to them and ask Ron, or you do not make assumptions.

Like our grandmas taught us.

This is very dangerous turf.

Comment by Foolish Monkey on April 12, 2018 at 7:29am

thanks for doing the legwork.  

@steel if we stopped this incessant political finger pointing and bullshitting back and forth that has accomplished absolutely ZERO in our world at large except making enemies of this small group of strangers (and some friends), driving away perfectly decent people while puffily touting one's delusional superiority, we might finally go back to talking TO ONE ANOTHER like human beings again. 

Comment by Ron Powell on April 12, 2018 at 7:57am

"You either talk directly to them and ask Ron, or you do not make assumptions."

I'd love to be able to get close enough to a Jewish voters who voted for Trump so I could ask them why would they cast their votes for a racist bigot...

Re the black people who did:

The Alan Keys, Ben Carson, Clarence Thomas types are the kind of folks who Harriet Tubman had in mind when she said that she "...could have freed 100 more if they knew they were slaves..."

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on April 12, 2018 at 8:09am

So much here, now, seems to be a kind of competitive group-grievance and/or competitive group-back-slapping exercise. It's so useless.

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on April 12, 2018 at 8:12am

...demeaning, too, as it assumes the worst in the rest of us, as to self-confidence, pride, intelligence. It has to be off-putting, at the least, to anyone considering this venue.

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on April 12, 2018 at 8:26am

I hope people will abandon this style of deadening discussion and debate. Our Salon, so lively and potent at its onset and for quite a time after, will be wholly reinvigorated, a place of surprise and thought once again, and with new, interesting participants.

Comment by Ron Powell on April 12, 2018 at 8:50am

It has been clearly established that since the election of Trump to the Presidency, there has been an increase in hate crimes against Jews,  Muslims, and people of color in general and black people in particular.

There may be also a tendency to be less concerned about the incedents of police violence against unarmed black men.

I suppose there's no reason to talk about any of  this:

Believe it or not, I'm a bit tired of it too....

But I can't/won't stop until this stops...

None of us should . However, you have the luxury of a prerogative and a preference that I don't have. There are some who might refer to this as 'white privilege '.

You may call it what you wish, or ignore it altogether.

I still would like to ask the 25% of Jews who voted for a racist bigot why they did so...

Comment by koshersalaami on April 12, 2018 at 9:05am

I don’t like being in a defensive position for being Jewish but lately I’ve felt somewhat like that. When, in a comment, we see bold and in large font:

U.S. Jewish Leader Ronald Lauder Gave $1.1 Million to Covert Group Pushing anti-Muslim Campaign

I feel the need to make it clear that this sort of action does not represent US Jewish Leadership. 

How do you distinguish between anyone who voted for an overtly bigoted racist and those who didn’t? If I don’t know you and meet you, how do I know you’re not an Eight Percenter? 

This place is not immune from people making group generalities or from people attempting to get others to make group generalities. If I have to live with that, I’ll talk about my group. But the best you can do with any group, and it isn’t reliable, is probabilities. 

I have assumptions made about me because of my avatar and my ethnicity. Listen to anyone answering me by telling me that Israel isn’t “lily-white” when anyone who reads a word I say knows without the shadow of a doubt that that’s not how I ever portray Israel. Or, worse, when I once stated that I thought Trump was more dangerous than Pence was (my rationale hadn’t been made clear yet but it had to do with Trump’s much greater popular base giving him more flexibility to do awful things), and I was accused of doing so because Pence was more slavishly loyal to Netanyahu than Trump was. Of course, I don’t like Netanyahu, so where exactly does this come from? And, in that exchange, I wasn’t the only Jew picked out - Marilyn shared my assessment, and she was told that she had that opinion because she was safe to on the grounds that Christian fundamentalists like Jews; i.e. that being Jewish she felt safe enough to sell LGBTQ people down the river. Incidentally, Christian fundamentalists don’t like Jews in that way at all, they just view us as eventual conversion fodder and, when we don’t convert, watch that “like” evaporate like a drop of water on a hot frying pan. By the way, non-Jews who expressed the same opinion in that conversation were of course not subjected to this crap.

Past that, I could say more simply that it isn’t appropriate to call me a Zionazi or any other kind of Nazi. 

I will not protect this site from the bigotry it hosts. 


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