I'm in the kitchen this morning. My daughter's boyfriend is cooking, some potato recipe (little red ones) as an alternative to the oily but good sautéed version he and my daughter usually cook, incessantly because my daughter loves it. He says to me

"Do you have any time?"

For what?

It turns out he's saying "thyme." He's never heard of it, but there happens to be a jar of it out on the counter that he finds immediately.

You might think that made me worry about his culinary education. Screw that; it made me worry about his musical education. Everybody from my generation knows what thyme is; if we didn't know already, we learned that it somehow went with parsley, sage, and rosemary.

Here, Kid, you need to know about this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qdz8m_PImwI

It could have been worse. At least he'd heard of the artists.

Artie has such a killer voice on this.

As it turns out, the guitar part isn't that hard. I learned it back in the seventies. You need a capo, but at least it's in standard tuning.

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Comment by Ron Powell on August 7, 2017 at 8:36am

@TM; 

1. Cut the 'sorty' shit .That condescending white privilege, disingenuos, hypocritical, faux apology crap doesn' t cut it with me. 

2.  Inasmuch as you could put the entirety of you KNOWLEDGE of music on the head of a pin and still have room for the entirety of your KNOWLEDGE of black history and the black experience, you should  back off, shut up and try to learn something on this subject.

3. Kosh was saying that he never learned how to play gospel. My posting the song by different performers was an object lesson in the difference in types and styles re the arrangements and performances. Since he learns by ear as I do he can hear the variations that the gospel style represents v the style in which Simon and Garfinkel wrote and performed the piece.

4. THE COMMENT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT ABOUT COMPARING ONE TO THE OTHER WITH A VALUE JUDGRMENT RE WHICH ONE  IS 'BETTER'.

KOSH WOULD KNOW THAT, WHILE YOU CLLEARLY HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE!

5. Don't start something here that you're unable to finish. Remember you can't close the comments here and runaway because you don't possess sufficient rhetorical skills to play, much less compete, in what you derisively refer to as 'word games'.

 

 

 

Comment by koshersalaami on August 7, 2017 at 9:05am

Can't anyone here spell Garfunkel?

Ron,

Terry said:

"His lyrics are not generally amenable to being sung by others.   Not at least since his first few years with Art Garfunkle." 

Bridge Over Troubled Waters is from "his first few years with Art Garfunkel." Terry isn't wrong that one example doesn't make a pattern, particularly an example that falls outside the period of his criticism, meaning the example doesn't actually contradict what he said. If I'd argued by presenting that example, Terry would have written "Sorry, Kosh." I've been contradicted by Terry enough times to know that his tone with me would have been identical. 

Comment by Ron Powell on August 7, 2017 at 9:41am

My comment has absolutely nothing to do with lyrics whatssoever, and you know it...

I was not reacting or responding to his comment at all. If anything,  I was trying to ignore it.

My comment was/is about the instrumentation, particularly/specifically the piano.

The juxtaposition of the videos gives you the opportunity to see the hands of the pianists as they work through the arrangements.

Re:"his tone with me would have been identical".

Not possible, the perception of the tone is paramount here.

I've expressed displeaure with this usage before. The lack of respect and regard for that is what makes your statement an execise in false equivalency.

What kind of Trump/Putin thing do you have going anyway?

I respons to your comment about learning how to PLAY gospel music and he replies with some totally eroneous bullshit and you come come to his defense with some shit that you know has nothing to do with my purpose or my point.

Keep it up and the two of you will soon be using the same asshole with which to shit.

Comment by Anna Herrington on August 7, 2017 at 10:10am

Can only add, on the musical side, that I had Garfunkel's album, Angel Clare, as a kid and I absolutely loved his rendition of Barbara Allen so much my mother worried about me. I know what you mean by 'comparatively speaking, he's a failure' (or something like that, comparing his musical successes to Simon's) but still that is such an odd way to judge someone, as a failure due to less musical fame? Just a different path through life, personally, no less successful.... but I get irritated in general when people are judged by specific criteria against so many other possible ways to consider them. I DO know what you meant, though.

Garfunkel struggled mightily and likely still does with depression - and in an interview once Garfunkel declared he'd created a monster, in Simon, and that he first spoke to Simon because he felt sorry for how short Simon was/is. Ouch! Talk about judging.... That likely hasn't helped any softening in their multi-decade estrangement....

One area I do know a bit about is medicinal herbs. Thyme. It has many medicinal properties - and so many have no idea about so many 'culinary' herbs these days: how many have good to excellent medicine in them....

Disclaimer: all herbal information informational and always check with a doctor before taking any herbs for medicinal purposes... although sprinkling thyme on red potatoes is allowed, considered harmless to a healthy individuals, and any ensuing medicinal benefits would be obtained purely in culinary ignorance (a bit tongue in cheek, but I'm required to state as any herbs with medicinal properties can be no joke and same with the regulating powers that be once they see good medicinal information being mentioned on anything outside of AMA-approved pharmaceuticals)

Its most active aspect is thymol, an anti-bacterial and anti-fungal that's used in Vicks Vapo Rub and also Listerine, its efficacy is so stable and strong.

Thyme has been effective against antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria, too - something an herbal teacher mentioned to me over twenty five years ago when it became clear antibiotics were so overused that bacteria were developing resistances, that there would be a time (ha!) when anti-bacterial herbs would be important in the fight again....

Thyme aids in upset stomach, gas, sore throats, and has anti-tumor properties, as well. Even bacterially contaminated vegetables can be washed with a 1% solution of thyme oil in water and the contaminants decrease to below detectable levels, ie, disappear. Thyme has historically aided in bronchitis, too, and is considered a mood elevator.

Known to also aid with arthritis....

(that one I noticed when I just looked up thyme to see if I remembered my medicinal herb studies from years ago....)

And, the all-important part:  did you like the taste??

Comment by Anna Herrington on August 7, 2017 at 10:13am

Hmmm.... maybe this is the important part:  Thyme is a known mood elevator. Sprinkle liberally.

Comment by Ron Powell on August 7, 2017 at 10:46am

@TM; If you are a "trained singer" it is my fervent hope that you can read music better than you can read comments...

With that in mind , you should have been well aware of the fact that my comment had nothing to do with lyricics but everything to do with seeing and hearing simultaneously the difference between types of arrangements.... Something he seemed to have implicitly request in his comment re learning to PLAY goapel..

Why you felt it necessaty to interrupt, interfere, and intercede is a mystery...

The fact is whan I made that comment I WAS'NT TALKING TO YOU!

Comment by koshersalaami on August 7, 2017 at 11:37am

I assumed you were. Terry says most Simon covers don't work and you immediately post a Simon cover that does. I certainly took it as your contradicting him. 

Comment by Anna Herrington on August 7, 2017 at 12:00pm

Interesting how it goes with assumptions.

...while I saw the two video clips and assumed Ron was showing you, kosh, versions to compare folk/rock to gospel rhythms and style, posted right after you said you hadn't had gospel explained to you.

Comment by koshersalaami on August 7, 2017 at 12:22pm

Anna,

Obviously assumptions led to two reactions. Both reactions (as to who was being addressed) were feasible. Thank you for pointing yours out. One assumption (that Ron was addressing Terry) led to another (that Terry's reaction wasn't based on his being contradicted and so was unprovoked). 

i know gospel style, I've just never learned to play it. 

Comment by koshersalaami on August 7, 2017 at 4:11pm

In looking at it again,

Ron,

Given the comparison setup and labeling, you clearly didn't mean what I first assumed. I apologize for that assumption. 

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