Mary Gravitt asks; "Is 'E pluribus unum' dead in America?"
My answer is: No, but it should be.
Do I want to be "One" with a bunch of Confederate, credulous, imbecilic, hating, Lee Atwater falling for, LBJ describing, H.R. Haldeman and Nixon (and Drumpf) following, one-born-every-minute suckers whose only mission in life is to dream for one second that they are better than the "others" ... Hell No !!!
The phrase is supposed to be consistent with the concept of strength in unity. But too many nitwits have misread and misinterpreted the meaning of the phrase and bastardized it beyond recognition....
The phrase in the pledge of allegiance should never have been "one nation under god", but "one nation of many peoples"...
In my view that's what "E pluribus unum" should have meant, and possibly could have meant but it's been twisted and turned into a 'Gordian Knot'.... Very nearly impossible to untangle..
The most recent alteration of ithe wording of the Pledge of Allegiance was adopted on Flag Day in 1954, when the words "under God" were added. Can you imagine what this country might be like if children had been reciting: "One nation of many peoples, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. " for the past 60 plus years...? How powerful would that have been coming in the wake of Brown v Board of Education? The Supreme Court handed down its ruling in Brown in May of 1954. Flag Day is in June. No way Trump gets nominated, much less elected, if that were the case.
As an Eisenhower kid I remember the change, which happened gradually and in spurts as there was resistance on both sides. I can say that the only time I felt comfortable as both and individual, and as part of the group recital, was when we used the word "indivisible" --- and I went to grade school in both Hawaii and the U.S. South, so, pardon my remembering the truth in my own subjective way. It is clear to most who don't have cloudy eyes, that the changes in the pledge, the banning of prayer in public schools (my high school was public founded by Protestant Missionaries- go figure) and forced busing were among the main issues that turned the Right Wing from bankers and military men into a KKK auxiliary unit.
If they’d been able to read a map, they’d have said One Nation Under Canada
Ironic how the Pledge was altered, unconstitutionally in my opinion, at the insistence of religious conservatives and in less than ten years, we elect a Catholic president...
Talk about backfire...No way the folks who pushed that wording into the Pledge of Allegiance anticipated a Catholic President.....
That is very likely true Ron, but, we are talking about a Catholic Church which has "adjusted" its Holy Bible more than twenty thousand officially documented times since Constantine called the Council of Nicea three Centuries after the death and resurrection of the "Christ God" ... The inclusion by first the Council of Trent and then King James of the Book of Tobit, alternately, the magic blinding birdshit episode, was really the last straw, and that was in 1546! So, given magic birdshit maybe Kennedy had more going for him than just good looks, money and war hero fame.
What was the intent of the person or group who placed on our currency? I don't know.
Was it out of many (states) one (nation)? Did it refer to people? Did it refer to cultures? Did it refer to race/ethnicity? If it meant either of the latter two meanings it has been a roaring failure. One person said if we thought we would have soup, what we got was a really rich stew.
The phrase is just one of three on the Great Seal. "Annuit coeptis" and "Novus ordo seclorum" translated, "he has favored our undertaking", the second "New order for the ages" taken together have been the fuel for the conspiracy theorists that believe a group, "the illuminati" are controlling everything and want to create One World.
Latin mottoes are not very helpful in my opinion. I think they are meant to create unity through the (false) authority inferred by a dead language that most people don't understand today. Probably many more understood it in the 1700s. Still it was placed there for that reason.
Is E Pluribus Unum dead? Did it ever exist?
The seal of the small college I attended has no Latin motto. Perhaps it is because most of the students struggle with English.
@RR; "Was it out of many (states) one (nation)?"
Most likely yes...
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