In case you're keeping score....and a question

Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating possible links between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, has issued more than 100 criminal counts against 32 people and three companies. Additionally, two people — Michael D. Cohen, a former lawyer of President Trump and Sam Patten, a lobbyist linked to Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort — pleaded guilty to charges that stemmed from Mr. Mueller’s inquiry.

George Papadopoulos:

Former campaign adviser

Lying to the F.B.I. about conversations with people he believed were working on behalf of Russians (pleaded guilty Oct. 5, 2017) Sentenced to 14 days in prison Sept. 7, 2018

Sam Patten:

Lobbyist linked to Paul Manafort

Failing to register to work as an agent of a foreign power

Pleaded guilty Aug. 31, 2018

Paul Manafort:

Former campaign chairman Tax and bank fraud, false statements, being an unregistered agent of a foreign principal, obstruction of justice Convicted of financial fraud Aug. 21, 2018

(Please guilty to additional cgarges Sept. 14, 2018)

Michael D. Cohen:

Mr. Trump’s former lawyer Tax evasion, bank fraud, campaign finance violations

Pleaded guilty Aug. 21, 2018

Alex van der Zwaan:

Lawyer who worked with Mr. Manafort and Mr. Gates Lying to investigators about conversations with Mr. Gates (pleaded guilty Feb. 20, 2018)Sentenced to 30 days in prison April 3, 2018

Rick Gates:

Former campaign adviser

Financial fraud and lying to the F.B.I.

Pleaded guilty Feb. 23, 2018

Richard Pinedo:

California man who sold bank accounts online Identity fraud

Pleaded guilty Feb. 12, 2018

Michael T. Flynn:

Former national security adviser

Lying to the F.B.I. about conversations with the Russian ambassador

Pleaded guilty Dec. 1, 2017

Thirteen Russian nationals and three related companies:

Conspiracy to defraud the U.S., conspiracy to commit bank fraud, identity theft

Konstantin V. Kilimnik Russian Army-trained linguist and associate of Mr. Manafort:

Obstruction of justice

Twelve Russian intelligence officers:

Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, identity theft, conspiracy to launder money.


We're coming close to the point where the only people remaining to be charged with crimes as a result of the Mueller probe are people named Trump or people married to people named Trump.

It's been more than forty years since Watergate and there still aren't any women or black people involved in high profile, prime time criminal conspiracies eminating from the White House.

So here's the question:

Why do you think women and blacks are excluded from these high level political and financial endeavors?

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Comment by Ron Powell on September 15, 2018 at 3:42pm

I added the photos to the NYT report in order to broaden the scope of the discussion...If there is one....

Comment by koshersalaami on September 15, 2018 at 5:51pm

It’s a rare upside to discrimination. 

Comment by Ron Powell on September 15, 2018 at 6:27pm

A manifestation of what's at the core of the 1% and the so called 'ruling class'.

Comment by moki ikom on September 15, 2018 at 9:23pm


So here's the question:

Why do you think women and blacks are excluded from these high level political and financial endeavors?


Why??  Really Ron?  Are we not smarter than a third grader??  It's because black men and black and white women, aka "women and blacks",  are excluded from such high level political and financial endeavors.

Comment by Ron Powell on September 16, 2018 at 3:55am

@Moki; That's quite circular... Like your screen name...

Comment by Ron Powell on September 16, 2018 at 4:08am

Circular reasoning (Latincirculus in probando, "circle in proving";[1] also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with.[2]


Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on September 16, 2018 at 5:50am

This post is what is both useful and horribly useless abt civil-rights/diversity bean-counting.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on September 16, 2018 at 6:35am

Answer:  The standard straight, white, male "-Isms" that you and I live with every damn day, Ron.  "Ism"-ist love corruption because they have the morals and ethics of an alley cat.  (I would differ a bit in regards to Trump because he has/had an unusual number of higher echelon fleckless women in his administration like Omarose Manigault Newman, Kellyanne Conway and Sarah Huckabee Sanders...  all three of them are corrupt AF)

BTW, I'd also bet my stack that if asked they ALL of those men and women mentioned in this post would say that they are good Judeo-Christians who attend church/temple every week.

Comment by Ron Powell on September 16, 2018 at 7:22am

@JW; You may be correct in expressing exasperation re the lack of diversity as starkly demonstrated here . But isn't that just the point?

Isn't it possible that the very. homogeneousness of the groups presented here is a key element of the development a cult or cabal of condescension, corruption, and criminality?

Clearly these white men saw themselves as not simply above the law , but somehow exempt from the societal imperatives and directives to be obedient to the laws democratically enacted, promulgated and ensconced in what might be characterized as social norms and mores.

Among them, there apparently is no compunction to recognize or acknowledge that the laws governing society even exist....

My thesis here is that had these groups been more diverse and reflective of the racial, ethnic, social, cultural variants that comprise the general population, there may have been less of a tendency to be susceptible to the vagaries of self indulgence, self gratification, self aggrandizement, avarice, selfishness and egocentricity...

Comment by Ron Powell on September 16, 2018 at 7:28am

@Amy, True... However, the women seem always to escape criminal liability for their complicity, support, encouragement, and willingness to enable the criminal enterprise...

Kellyanne and Sarah both have to know that something is wrong with the picture there helping to paint...


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