If, in the course of discussing the upcoming election, you get into a discussion with a Birther, just pose the following question:

If you were 100% sure that President Obama was born in the United States,
would you vote for him?

When you hear the answer, which will of course be No, you can ask the next question:

So what's your Real objection to Obama?

The ensuing conversation may not be more intelligent than the one you started,
but chances are that it will at least be more honest.

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Comment by koshersalaami on October 11, 2012 at 4:39am

1. I am 100% sure. Actually, though, from what I've been told, the Constitution actually says that the requirement is not that the President be born here, it's that the President be born a citizen. Obama's mother's citizenship has never been questioned by anyone.

 

2. Given that the man's been President for nearly a term, what evidence is there that he is answering to a foreign government? If so, which one? Do you honestly think you have Kenyan overlords? Seriously?

However, the questions are irrelevant because we will acknowledge that our electoral decision is not driven by the birth issue.

My point is that I don't believe that the electoral decision of the Birthers is either. I think the Birther issue is phony for exactly that reason: If you don't want to vote for a guy, be honest as to why.

Comment by TG DE VORE on October 11, 2012 at 5:27am

Exactly. When you got nothin'... you make up shit.

Comment by koshersalaami on October 11, 2012 at 5:39am

Yup. And this is too big an indicator of nothin'.

Comment by L in the Southeast on October 11, 2012 at 8:48am

Wow, Khem.  What kind of logic is that you displayed in your #2?

Kosh, it is impossible to get a bigot to call himself or herself out.  Bigotry can't be substantiated, so they simply deny it.

Comment by koshersalaami on October 11, 2012 at 9:07am

Lezlie, yeah, that's probably the issue. I say "be straight me me as to your reason," but if the reason is bigotry, that won't happen - they actually need a phony reason.

Comment by tr ig on October 11, 2012 at 9:55am

I doubt I'll be having any of these conversations Kosh. I'm fairly picky about the company I keep.

Comment by koshersalaami on October 11, 2012 at 9:57am

I've been hearing that a lot over on OS. If you do hear it, though, answer it. If we don't answer, they'll just vote and we'll end up with someone very frightening in the White House and a bunch of them in Congress.

Comment by L in the Southeast on October 11, 2012 at 10:06am

Yeah, tr ig, that whole concept is the basis for the old saw "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."  We have to listen and respond to them in order to fight them.

Comment by koshersalaami on October 11, 2012 at 10:17am

I've commented about this in the OS thread, mainly answering Jonathan and Matt in his chicken suit. I provided links to two of my old posts:

 

http://open.salon.com/blog/koshersalaami/2011/08/21/ten_minutes

 

http://open.salon.com/blog/koshersalaami/2011/10/28/progressive_str...

 

Particularly the first one

Comment by old new lefty on October 11, 2012 at 10:05pm

They'll say something like, "He's a socialist!"  Next thing you know, they'll be talking about how the government should keep its hands off of their Social Security and Medicare.

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