Having been called "asshole," "stupid fuck," and other equally affectionate names, my characterization of the Orlando savage as a "sand monkey" has caused my comment to be deleted from this august site. 

Wonderful! One less left wing defender of free speech to deal with. 

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Comment by Gordon Osmond on June 13, 2016 at 3:19pm

I think something must be going on between Amy and Lorianne, which is a credit to neiher.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on June 13, 2016 at 3:25pm

"Asshole" and "stupid fuck" are not racist.  Your, once again repeated, term for Middle Eastern people IS (and I gave fair warning).

Nice try at adding homophobe to the mix, but were already have that box checked.

BTW, thanks for proving the point that your truly ARE a "stupid fucking asshole".

Comment by Zanelle on June 13, 2016 at 3:43pm

Im glad they are taking you on.  Why dont you go post your words someplace else?

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on June 13, 2016 at 3:48pm

Z  I am pleased he posts here. This site benefits when we are made continually aware of the range of opinions (and bigotry) out there. I am also pleased he sees lots of push-back. He is not, nor are conservatives, cornering any market on hate-speech. 

Comment by koshersalaami on June 13, 2016 at 3:52pm

I was about to say that one set of insults smears an individual while the other insult smears a people, meaning one is bigoted because it smears a lot of people who did nothing to earn the insults. Amy beat me to it. Personally, if I insult someone intentionally, it isn't because of what group they belong to (unless it's a group of choice like a political party). When I insult someone, it's not ethnic, racial, gender-specific; when I insult someone, it's strictly personal. 

Comment by lorianne on June 13, 2016 at 4:33pm

Mr. Osmond - I am a huge believer in letting asses bray, but you crossed a line and violated TOS.

I am going to go out on a limb here and assume you are intelligent enough to discern the difference between a personal insult and a racial slur, and that this post is simply about posturing & feigned victim-hood...in which case, bray away!

Comment by Gordon Osmond on June 14, 2016 at 7:08am

At last, a comment that is worth responding to.

As for scanning, i'm a bit confused. If it makes sense in public and private venues, why not Pulse?  Does that club represent some sort of third possibility. I'd also like to see the pocket sufficiently capacious to accommodate the weapons used by Mateen. Mae West would have probably observed, "Wow, you're REALLY happy toi see me!" And your scout knife--forget about your toothpick--must be really special if it can kill 49 and injure more.

"You must recognize there is NO stopping someone intent upon killing." Thank you for that observation, so true, so obvious, and yet a thorn in the side of politicians, professional and amateur, whose instinctive reaction to terror is to talk about gun control, as if it's done any good to date.

I do hope that identifying you as a not-so-foolish monkey will not activate the idiocy of other "contributors" to this thread.

Comment by Maui Surfer on June 14, 2016 at 7:26am

Same old same old Gordito- you can't say or spray your hateful racist drivel in mixed company, only at the lonely old keyboard. Any air in that vacuum?

Comment by Gordon Osmond on June 14, 2016 at 8:34am

From which I can conclude, dear Terry, that the club owner is as stupid as you are.

Comment by koshersalaami on June 14, 2016 at 9:02am

As FM points out, the guy was a regular at gay clubs; in fact, he was a regular at this one. You want to tell me what bouncer stops a regular at the door on suspicion of weapons possession? What you'd need is metal detectors, and you'd need them all over the place. 

The alternative is to make assault weapons less available to the American public, decreasing the odds of a guy like this being able to go out and buy one. Not making it impossible - that doesn't happen - making it difficult enough to decrease the odds. 

As Ted Frier points out in his latest post, NRA opposition to this kind of regulation is primarily about preserving the ability of organizations to amass military power against our own government. Put another way, it's preserving the ability of traitors to be militarily effective. And that treasonous movement in the United States isn't even focused on the actual risks of eggregious Federal overstepping. The real overstepping takes two forms: Universal cellphone surveillance, which started under Bush, and military hardware being sold to police departments. Past that, nothing Obama has done warrants this "militia" reaction; I'm afraid that's more based on his being Black with a Muslim name and father than on actual policy, because he's just not all that liberal a President, and claims about Obamacare are asinine because the policy was originally written by a Republican think tank and field tested by a Republican governor. 

The weapons in question have no feasible civilian use. They aren't useful for hunting and they aren't useful for home defense. They are only useful for killing a lot of people quickly. 

As to Sand Monkey: There are a lot of people you would refer to as Sand Monkeys (I at least appreciate that you didn't use the more traditional Sand N------; Gordon striking a blow for civility) serving in the United States Armed Services. Enough of them are putting their lives on the line for our country that the Pentagon has offered Muslim religious services in Pentagon non-denominational chapels since well before 9/11. Claiming that guys like this murderer represent his religious community is like claiming that Westboro Baptist Church represents Christianity or that Yigal Amir (who murdered Israeli prime minister Yitzak Rabin) represents Judaism. 

This is from the Times of India, less than a year ago. The largest concentrations of Muslims on Earth are not in the Middle East, they're in South Asia. The four countries with the largest Muslim populations are (not necessarily in order): India, Indonesia, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. India had a Sunni convention last year that had an attendance of about one and a half million. In conjunction with that convention, a fatwa was issued against organizations practicing Terrorism in Islam's name (like Al Qaida and ISIS) by roughly seventy thousand Muslim clergymen. That doesn't include ordinary Muslims expressing support for this - those numbers are way, way higher - just clergy. You've got seventy thousand clergy issuing this fatwa - not counting other antiterrorist Muslim clergy around the world, like Sufi Imam Rauf, the guy behind what was erroneously called the Ground Zero Mosque; this was, after all, a single fatwa - and you're going to characterize Islam and what we should do about it based on a few nut cases, ignoring not only all those clergymen but Muslims defending America in our own armed services? 

You want to blame the guy who did this, that's appropriate. You want to blame Muslim extremism, though we have conflicting evidence as to whether this guy was really an extremist or just claiming that for notoriety (based on people who knew him well and say he wasn't religious), that's at least better than just plausible. But if you want to blame this event on the fact that this native-born American's parents were Afghans, you're off base, as is Donald Trump, for the same reason. 

By the way, these Terms Of Service aren't originally from Lorianne, they're from NING, the site's platform. If there are too many TOS violations, particularly violations that draw a lot of complaints, Lorianne may not be able to prevent the NING people from pulling the site. 

I can't believe I have to explain the intrinsic failures of the logic of bigotry, or the structure of this site's regulatory climate, to an attorney. Seriously, you're smarter than this. Try thinking before you react.


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