Ron:  "...we don't function well as human beings if there is no acknowledgement of, and commitment to, that which makes us human..."

Koshersalaami: "We don’t know how they’d react if they saw real threats."

Ron: "Trump is a "real threat"!

Our generation would have filled the streets in protest...

Mayor Daley and his police department created the riots in Chicago that cost the Democrats the election that year....

1968, the year I graduated from college...

The year King and Kennedy were assassinated.

What happened to the Occupy Movement? BLM is not gaining any traction to speak of. Amy's  Green Party isn't going anywhere any time soon...."

From the comment stream at:

http://oursalon.ning.com/profiles/blogs/conversation-with-my-daught...

The people between the ages of 20 and 50 generally seem to be on the right track and the right side of history re Human Rights and Social Justice.

However, as  Koshersalaami points out,  their commitment to higher principles is yet to be tested.

So here's the question:

Do you believe that the young people of today are willing to fight for what they believe in?

Here's the Generation Chart I would use as a reference:

https://www.careerplanner.com/Career-Articles/Generations.cfm

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Comment by Ron Powell on February 14, 2018 at 6:28pm

Try to remember that they're not all Amy, who I sincerely believe would fight to the finish for her beliefs and principles...

A character trait I admire and respect.

Comment by Tom Cordle on February 14, 2018 at 8:37pm

This labeling of generations is a sort of soft bigotry all its own. It paints people with a broad brush and discriminates against them simply because of an accident of birth. Sound familiar?

It's also, in many ways, nonsensical. For example, I was born in 1944, so technically, I belong to the Greatest Generation, but for me to claim to have much in common with folks who survived the Great Depression and World War II is foolish. For the most part, I relate more to the Boomers, but I certainly have more in common with the GG's than to someone born in say 1962.

This grouping tendency is a form of discrimination.  For instance, it's common to paint old white men with a broad brush. As an old white male who took it to the streets back in the Sixties, I resent that paint job.

As for your question, I have for some time wondered what it will take to get young folks out into the streets again, as they did in the Thirties and the Sixties. Chronologically, that should have happened in the Nineties (in reaction to the reactionary reigns of Nixon/Reagan), but good times under Clinton may have served as a hedge against that. So if the pattern is to hold, look for all hell to break loose in the 2020's. Given that by then, the disastrous policies of the Repugnants, cutting taxes and services, will have come home to roost, there may well be lots of blood in the streets. Stay tuned.

Comment by Ron Powell on February 14, 2018 at 9:03pm

The "generation charts" as they're called are really no more than marketing and budget devices....

When people take to the streets, shit happens....

Comment by koshersalaami on February 14, 2018 at 9:45pm

No, Tom, you don’t belong to the Greatest. You belong to the generation between the Greatest and the Boomers, called the Silents. My parents are/were part of that and they were born in the early thirties. The Greatest were old enough to fight in WWII. The Silents fought in Korea. The major Silent leaders were MLK Jr. and Robert Kennedy, killed within about a month of each other. A lot of rock stars are actually too old to be Boomers but are instead Silents, like the Beatles and like Dylan. 

Comment by greenheron on February 15, 2018 at 8:24am

Ron, what about the women’s marches? Millions of women, not only in the US but internationally, marching and protesting Trump, last year, again this year? Half, at least, are young people, maybe more. What about all the younger people stepping up to run for local offices? A way to purge the scurge is by voting the awfuls out and by running to replace. Support them. Our congressman, Seth Moulton, is a guy whose name you’ll soon be hearing if you haven’t. He’s a youngish progressive, multiple term of duty Iraq war veteran, who yesterday told Trump to “get off his ass” and do something about gun control.

#blacklivesmatter is quite active in my city, and on campuses in particular, not at all fizzled. They were integral in organizing a students of color organization at my college, and made forceful demands regarding hiring, curriculum, and policy that are being met–the last three executive administrative hires were people of color. Currently they are sponsoring nine campus workshops to dialog about race, which faculty must attend. Their curricular demands have enlarged the course offerings considerably and they've hired new faculty to teach them. All spring courses were waitlisted too, so there will be more. In my community, we’ve known about Kehinde Wiley for years. Now the world knows about him, he's a rock star now. YOUNG!

I think your examples of racist youth are not representative of the majority of young people in the chute. I meet about two hundred new students every year, but it’s more than meet. Yesterday I had a substantive one on one fifteen minute conversation with about 25 individuals, so that’s about a hundred conversations every week. I get to know these young people on a deep soul level, where art and creativity emerge. Not one of them would have supported those t shirt girls or the awful bus singing. In fact, more than a few would take action. I was kinda shocked, also proud, to see one of my students dressed in black and bandana’ed, standing with antifa at the last women’s march. I hope she stays safe. One young woman in Charlottesville did not. All those young people, standing against the neo-nazis, doing what you think young people aren’t.

P.S. I have to leave for work in half an hour and am not home again til late tonite, which is why I can’t engage in back and forth today. But I hope you’ll reconsider your stance on the youngs, if for no other reason than soon, they will be wiping our butts and feeding us applesauce :)

  

Comment by Tom Cordle on February 15, 2018 at 9:17am

Note that the link Ron cited divides people using a varying periodicity. Other sources use a decade, others use twenty-year intervals. So obviously, where an individual falls depends on who's doing the designating and for what purpose.

As I said, I don't find these generational designations accurate or particularly useful, other than as a simplistic conversational tool. Beyond that, they are a device to divide people, and in the worst instances to discriminate and take advantage them. Indeed, there primary use is as a marketing tool. The divides are artificial, and thus they are in the end artifice. 

Obviously, people of different generations share different common life experiences, particularly pivotal events, like the Great Depression, WWII, Civil Rights, Vietnam and the Sixties. It's also the case that one did not have to be in their so-called formative years to be affected by such events.

Hell, I'm in my seventies, and I'm still being formed and informed by what goes on around me. For instance, given the events of the last 18 months or so, I know I'll never be able to look at the presidency the same – or truly trust the electorate again. I suspect that a lot people, regardless of when they were born, share my feelings in that regard.

Maybe we should call this the Humpty Dumpty experience, because illusions, once shattered, can never be put back together again.

Comment by greenheron on February 15, 2018 at 9:21am

A few dozen “free speech” fascists surrounded in their safe zone by more than 40,000 anti-fascist protesters on Boston Common last year.

This was pretty darn protest-ish! And cram packed full of young people.

Comment by koshersalaami on February 15, 2018 at 10:01am

Tom,
When I talked to you about the Silents, that was from Strauss and Howe, a book called Generations. Really interesting book, though repetitive. Their idea is that circumstances shape generations and that each generation is a reaction to the one before - its upbringing is a reaction by parents to the generation before theirs. They isolate four kinds of generations that have happened in sequence in the US since the 1600’s, with one of the four sometimes being skipped if a crisis shows up at the wrong time to shape them. The generation called the Greatest was of the kind skipped around the Civil War. The previous generation of that kind fought the American Revolution. 

It’s a really good analytical tool, not for stereotyping but for predicting how groups of people will react to what. Millenials are what we hope will be the next generation of the Greatest type. 

Another way of expressing it is by using a metaphor. We’ve tended to look at stages of life as sort of train stations. They say no, don’t look at the stations, look at the trains, because different generations will look different at similar life stages. 

Comment by Ron Powell on February 15, 2018 at 10:40am

@greenheron;

I hear you...

So here's the question:

Do you believe that the young people of today are willing to fight for what they believe in?

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on February 15, 2018 at 11:00am

GREENHERON HAS THIS RIGHT. NO CAUSE TO "SOFT" BADGER HER W ANOTHER "HERE'S THE QUESTION", AS IF SHE HADN'T REPLIED ON POINT. SHE DID. 

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