"I believe in science..." HRC... but the Question is which Science When and Where

SBA sent this to me in a PM and asked me to post it as a favor.  All politicians shape the truth and depending who she's addressing, Hillary is certainly no exception:


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Comment by Zanelle on July 30, 2016 at 11:34am

Gee  I dont trust the medical community or the drug companies or Hillary even.   Science drives me nuts.  Miss Five and I talk about what it means to be a scientist...I say it is someone who likes to investigate things...but just like artists, scientists get all in a wad about what they find and want everyone to believe it too.  Life and death matters.  But gee whiz, science is as illusive as anything else in this world.  It is all interesting.

Comment by JMac1949 Today on July 30, 2016 at 11:43am

Unlike some disciplines, science usually includes mention of what it does not know.  Medicine and Big Pharma not so much.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on July 30, 2016 at 11:50am

"Shaping the truth" is an interesting way of saying they spread lies.

What makes it worse is when their surrogates magnify and spread the same lies a thousand fold.

We have a text book case of that here when Wolfman commented that Jill Stein was disqualified because she was anti-vaxx.

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman 58 minutes ago

Ms Stein's anti-Vaccination statements are, for me, enough of a disqualifer

Comment by koshersalaami 57 minutes ago
Oh Crap. She's one of those? And she's a physician?
Comment by Jonathan Wolfman 50 minutes ago

You can easily find them; they are equivocal and deliberately so, just enough so as to give comfort to (and perhaps to tease votes from) the kinds of parents susceptible to anti-Vaxxer nonsense, incl the abject and long-discredited idiocy that vaccinations cause/contribute to autism-spectrum disorder(s). 

It was pointed out by me that she NEVER said anything of the sort and even posted what she ACTUALLY said.  


Of course, the facts never dissuade people like this so, this morning the following was posted:

Comment by koshersalaami 4 hours ago

Jon and I were called liars in a recent post concerning Jill Stein's anti-vaxer stance. Here's a piece by a mother of an autistic child on that very subject:

Never mind that the article was written by a known Clinton advocate...  even though it is clear that KS never bothered reading the damn thing or he wouldn't have said of the writer, MISTER Justin Rosario, "Here's a piece by a mother of an autistic child...", but is ONCE AGAIN doubled down on ""Shaping the truth".
Here's where it would be funny if not so disgusting...  Read the two memes posted above.  Which candidate thinks vaccines might have something to do with autism?  Which candidate says "Of course I support vaccinations"???
BTW, THAT was pointed out to KosherBaloney, but his response was to delete the truth instead of deleting his lie.
So, you can call it "shaping the truth" because it is political, but I think I'm gonna stick with "Lying".
Comment by JMac1949 Today on July 30, 2016 at 12:09pm

Amy, with enough time searching google most of us can find any number of news sources, quotes and images to support virtually any agenda or candidate.  Some of it is factual truth, some of it is truth removed from context, some times it's just a meme and some times it's just and out and out lie.  Trump is the master of the meme and bald faced lie.  I'm disinclined to call out people as liars just because they're misinformed and then there's Doc Vega.  Over the years I've come to the point where I take damn near everything with a grain of salt and always consider the source.  That's how I manage to read and respect Kosh and Jon and you without presumption or prejudice.

Comment by nerd cred on July 30, 2016 at 12:13pm

asked me to post it as a favor.

Why? She seems to have access to a computer. Seriously, JMac. Why?


Memes as a substitute for thought ...

Amy, above:
"Shaping the truth" is an interesting way of saying they spread lies.

The quote from Stein illustrates that concept precisely:

I don’t know if we have an “official” stance, but I can tell you my personal stance at this point. According to the most recent review of vaccination policies across the globe, mandatory vaccination that doesn’t allow for medical exemptions is practically unheard of. In most countries, people trust their regulatory agencies and have very high rates of vaccination through voluntary programs. In the US, however, regulatory agencies are routinely packed with corporate lobbyists and CEOs. So the foxes are guarding the chicken coop as usual in the US. So who wouldn’t be skeptical? I think dropping vaccinations rates that can and must be fixed in order to get at the vaccination issue: the widespread distrust of the medical-industrial (sic) complex.

Vaccines in general have made a huge contribution to public health. Reducing or eliminating devastating diseases like small pox and polio. In Canada, where I happen to have some numbers, hundreds of annual death from measles and whooping cough were eliminated after vaccines were introduced. Still, vaccines should be treated like any medical procedure–each one needs to be tested and regulated by parties that do not have a financial interest in them. In an age when industry lobbyists and CEOs are routinely appointed to key regulatory positions through the notorious revolving door, its no wonder many Americans don’t trust the FDA to be an unbiased source of sound advice. A Monsanto lobbyists and CEO like Michael Taylor, former high-ranking DEA official, should not decide what food is safe for you to eat. Same goes for vaccines and pharmaceuticals. We need to take the corporate influence out of government so people will trust our health authorities, and the rest of the government for that matter. End the revolving door. Appoint qualified professionals without a financial interest in the product being regulated. Create public funding of elections to stop the buying of elections by corporations and the super-rich.

For homeopathy, just because something is untested doesn’t mean it’s safe. By the same token, being “tested” and “reviewed” by agencies tied to big pharma and the chemical industry is also problematic. There’s a lot of snake-oil in this system. We need research and licensing boards that are protected from conflicts of interest. They should not be limited by arbitrary definitions of what is “natural” or not.

Comment by Zanelle on July 30, 2016 at 12:29pm

I just cant see anyone but a doctor maybe saying they support all vaccinations.  I hate that damn flu shot and I am teetering on the edge of getting a shot for shingles...180$ without insurance.  What a racket.

Comment by JMac1949 Today on July 30, 2016 at 12:38pm

From 1955 - 1959 before the era of vaccines I contracted strep throat, tonsillitis, chicken pox, measles, mumps, pink eye and then I was vaccinated for tetanus, small pox and polio.  Depending on the mortality rates or permanent injury and public health risk of any given disease, some vaccinations should be mandatory, others and our compulsive overuse of antibiotics and disinfectants may actually be over protective and counterproductive: Five Reasons Why You Should Probably Stop Using Antibacterial Soap:

Vaccines and disease prevention are not a binary function in life.

Comment by nerd cred on July 30, 2016 at 1:12pm

antibiotics/antibacterials and vaccines - kind of apples and oranges.

Z - don't you have medicare?

Comment by JMac1949 Today on July 30, 2016 at 1:55pm

Exposure to infections and ambient bacteria and viral agents build up the human immune system.  Sterile environments and over protection weaken the immune system.  Almost every antibiotic in the Big Pharma medicine chest has to one degree or another been rendered ineffective due to antibiotic resistant strains of microbial mutation.  Very recently a new antibiotic was discovered in of all places the human nose:


It is naturally generated by a infectious disease causing bacteria Stashiloccocus lugdunensis that competes with the much more dangerous S. aureus which has mutated into antibiotic-resistant strains such as methicillin-resistant S. aureus (MRSA).  All of these bacteria live in soil all over the world.  So maybe, instead of insisting that our children blow their noses with a tissue and wash their hands with anti-bacterial soap, we should encourage them to go outside play in the dirt and wipe their snot with their dirty fingers and their t-shirt.  I suppose you could call that mother nature's way of inoculation.

Comment by Zanelle on July 30, 2016 at 2:08pm

Dirt is a wonderful thing.  Playing in it helps with depression, they say.  I dont know who 'they' are but I do like to take a few chances.  Hate to get sick and know it is my fault tho.  

Hillary is for Universal Health Care.  I would love to see her get that through.  I remember when as first lady she tried to get health care reform and was shut down like an arrogant man would shut down an uppity woman.  That was the first time a first lady was in charge of something in the white house besides setting the tables.  It was sad when she failed.  Id love to see her nail it this time.  Wham.


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