How To Respond To A Religious Conservative! (If you are Religious)

I agree with about 90% of what she says, but I support her right to say the rest just as long as I'm not required to do the same...

Here is what I find totally amazing...  this is from almost 40 years ago...  we are having the exact same damn arguments we were having in 1988, FFS.

Think we will ever learn and "evolve" past this shit???

BTW, hearing "Julia Sugarbaker" go off like this makes me think of Anna!  LOL

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Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on November 14, 2017 at 9:08am

I wonder if "Mr. Brickett" is who Donald Trump is modeling himself after???

Comment by Anna Herrington on November 14, 2017 at 10:05am

I've never heard of this person or seen this show  - but Yeah!!! 

I rarely watch videos on here but am glad I clicked on this one.  Go ... 'Julia Sugarbaker' ???  Ha!!!

Comment by koshersalaami on November 14, 2017 at 10:22am

Dixie Carter, who played Julia Sugarbaker, is actually politically conservative. The deal they struck with her is every time she had to deliver a liberal tirade, which she was obviously great at, they had to let her sing on an episode soon afterward. 

Yes, we are having the same arguments. Conservatives are still traumatized by the 1960’s. 

And yes, I absolutely agree that the way to answer religious conservatives is with religious liberals to keep the argument from being framed as God v. liberalism. And the way to answer conservative pseudo-patriotism is with liberal actual patriotism - meaning that if you're worried about America, you have to actually worry about most Americans, and if you're pro-military, that means being concerned with wages and working conditions of enlisted personnel, not just big weapons systems. 

And, in my case, if you're worried about the success of business (not the monsters big enough to make a substantial amount of their money by gaming the system), that means worrying about making sure there are enough customers to keep businesses in business (so they can hire) and enough regulations to keep us from making the insanely costly mistakes we make when the regulatory climate is too lax - like the S&L crisis, the mortgage crisis, and the BP Gulf oil spill.

Comment by Ron Powell on November 14, 2017 at 10:43am

I don't believe I've ever seen a black televangelist attempt to wrap himself in the flag and cloak his hyped up religious hustle in patrotism....The people who wrote for "Designing Women" had a twisted min rr set and sense of humor. 

MSSugarbaker is Paul Deen could the black 'conservative' radio host be Hannity or Limbaugh or O'Reilly? 

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on November 14, 2017 at 11:30am

Whether a white evangelist wraps him/herself in the flag...

...or whether a black one (such as Rev. Ike) sells "clear, plastic crosses w sand from the Garden of Gethsemane" (where Jesus was arrested by Roman occupying soldiers, according to religious texts)...or...

...if white Texas radio evangelists in the 1920s sold "autographed photographs of Jesus"... (and they did, tens of thousands of them)...

...it's fraud, and hardly worthy of defence, excoriation, let alone analysis on racial grounds. 

Comment by Ron Powell on November 14, 2017 at 1:33pm

@JW; "I don't believe I've ever seen a black televangelist attempt to wrap himself in the flag and cloak his hyped up religious hustle in patrotism..."

"...it's fraud, and hardly worthy of defence, excoriation, let alone analysis on racial grounds."

We're in agreement....

I was just wondering about the black radio host in the TV sketch and the juxtaposition the writers had in mind...

My Paula Deen, choice may be out of line because, I believe,   yhe scandal involving her and the "n" word came about after Dixie Carter had passed away...

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Comment by Anna Herrington on November 15, 2017 at 9:44am

Not knowing the background of any of this, from the show to the person, I found what she had to say, especially for 1988 when the Fundy churches were really getting going with their huge churches and exclusive-to-our-own schools and activities and everything else so we can brainwash our congregation and especially congregational youth properly -- so they can vote properly brainwashed 20 and 30 years on down the line, too, which is where we are today.... rather right on.

That era I witnessed partly in Atlanta as the uber-conservative and exclusionary fundamentalists developed their church/cult plans then to create today's political atmosphere....

I am surprised at reading comments that merely sneer or call fraud. What's the fraud, that actors are playing a part? In my theater town, the best Macbeth I've ever seen was played by a black guy - and there certainly weren't any black generals or black Scottish kings there and then.... is that fraud as it never happened in RL as you say about this scene?? or this it acting? Our theater gets all kinds of kudos for 'colorblind' casting - are they actually frauds perpetuating falsehoods or are they casting whichever actors that rate and giving opportunity to whoever can deliver the lines and *act the part* most convincingly in order to tell higher truths regardless of their RL leanings?

(That Macbeth was by far the best I've ever seen. Kudos galore to Peter Macon as Macbeth. What an actor! He was excellent. That set was centered on WWII with Macbeth in vague German-looking uniform, ruined infrastructure as ramps and balconies... so well done.  Or they were all frauds, not sure which as this certainly never happened this way in Real Life.)

Or the black guy is the conservative religious one? That doesn't happen in RL? And the white actress is in RL a conservative or maybe a racist Fundy, I have no idea anything about the actress - I'd gone anti-media in Oregon by 1986 - but for a face value evaluation of an actress playing a part and saying her decent rant to any narrow-minded religioso character in a TV show, well, sounded good to me.

...or maybe it's the religion that's fraud. Fine by me for you to have that opinion but that's besides the point of this video and post - it's for those who do find something in religion: isn't what this actress is saying while playing a part, sensible and right on in talking to narrow minded Fundies??

I get some who stay on this site are fine tuned for the one-sided debates, or sneers, the endless parsing, the sometimes cruel critique, the steamroller type discussions that take no prisoners, but  I was surprised by the dismissal in this thread.

I found myself thinking, thank goodness at least someone was speaking sense on TV back when those churches were just beginning to pile them on in - and not let anyone else in once 'teachings' began, their schools begin at K and end at 12 and no outsiders come in during the educating of these Fundy children. 

Did you guys think this current atmosphere of usurped-message-churches by brainwashed Fundies who've indoctrinated their kids to be sheltered from all outsiders their entire childhood wasn't planned for political purpose and power back in the early 80s, late 70s ????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I say GO, to the actress who said good solid truths from her script, like she meant it, while acting a part on TV.

Comment by koshersalaami on November 15, 2017 at 9:59am

Anna,

I think Ron's issue is that they cast a Black actor in a villain's role that would be unlikely in real life. And I think you bring up an interesting answer. If this is colorblind casting, it's a good thing. 

Ron,

Julia Sugarbaker is the liberal in this clip. Paula Dean certainly wasn't. And Dean is definitely way, way later, probably a good twenty years or more, maybe twenty-five. 

I watched Designing Women regularly. Annie Potts from that cast now plays Sheldon Cooper's grandmother on Young Sheldon, the spinoff from Big Bang Theory. 

By the way, Dixie Carter was married to Hal Holbrook. 

 

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