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Even before the disclosure of the DNC's election chicanery, it seems the Russians were being blamed for everything that is "bad".  They invaded Crimea (much to the delight of the people who actually live there and to the indignation of our neo-nazi allies in the Ukraine) made BarryO look like a total stooge in Syria (Russia was invited there by Syria, we were told to GTFO) and now the chief representative of Russia in the US DARED to talk to somebody about international issues (I mean WTF!  Did the Russian Ambassador think he was an Ambassador or something???).

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Now don't get me wrong...  Russia has a horrible record in a LOT of areas, especially regarding human rights.  Their treatment of LGBTQ people is disgusting. (however, I note there was never a discussion of sanctions over that!)

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What REALLY gets both the neocons and neo-libs fired up though is the possibility that Russia DARED to try to affect the US elections.  No country has a right to try for a regime change that is more favorable towards them, right?  What the hell were they thinking???

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Oh, wait...  not so fast...  that should read, "No country, OTHER THAN THE UNITED STATES, has a right to try for a regime change that is more favorable towards them..."

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Why would I say that?

Well, lets look at the record, shall we???

Since the end of WWII, the United States has been involved in overthrowing, attempting to overthrow and/or tried to affect a favorable regime change in each of the following governments.

(* indicates successful ouster of a government)

  • China 1949 to early 1960s
  • Albania 1949-53
  • East Germany 1950s
  • Iran 1953 *
  • Guatemala 1954 *
  • Costa Rica mid-1950s
  • Syria 1956-7
  • Egypt 1957
  • Indonesia 1957-8
  • British Guiana 1953-64 *
  • Iraq 1963 *
  • North Vietnam 1945-73
  • Cambodia 1955-70 *
  • Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
  • Ecuador 1960-63 *
  • Congo 1960 *
  • France 1965
  • Brazil 1962-64 *
  • Dominican Republic 1963 *
  • Cuba 1959 to present
  • Bolivia 1964 *
  • Indonesia 1965 *
  • Ghana 1966 *
  • Chile 1964-73 *
  • Greece 1967 *
  • Costa Rica 1970-71
  • Bolivia 1971 *
  • Australia 1973-75 *
  • Angola 1975, 1980s
  • Zaire 1975
  • Portugal 1974-76 *
  • Jamaica 1976-80 *
  • Seychelles 1979-81
  • Chad 1981-82 *
  • Grenada 1983 *
  • South Yemen 1982-84
  • Suriname 1982-84
  • Fiji 1987 *
  • Libya 1980s
  • Nicaragua 1981-90 *
  • Panama 1989 *
  • Bulgaria 1990 *
  • Albania 1991 *
  • Iraq 1991
  • Afghanistan 1980s *
  • Somalia 1993
  • Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
  • Ecuador 2000 *
  • Afghanistan 2001 *
  • Venezuela 2002 *
  • Iraq 2003 *
  • Haiti 2004 *
  • Somalia 2007 to present
  • Honduras 2009
  • Libya 2011 *
  • Syria 2012
  • Ukraine 2014 *

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All of these attempts at screwing with the self-determinations of other countries seem to be forgotten when somebody actually tried to do it to us.  

It seems to me, that we need to get our own glass house in order first, before we start pointing fingers and throwing stones at ANYONE else.

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Oh, before I go...  here's a little joke.

Q: Why will there never be a coup d’état in Washington?

A: Because there’s no American embassy there.

Sit and let that sink in a bit, m'kay?

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Comment by Maui Surfer on February 17, 2017 at 10:25am

Why stop there? What about Hawaii 1893?

And while constructing timelines online one might consider including the interesting graph of the intersection between the Fall of the Iron Curtain and the Rise of Russian Hacking

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on February 17, 2017 at 10:37am

Maui, no debate about Hawaii or the dozens upon dozens of other Central and South American countries that the US government overthrew prior to WWII.

As for your implication that Russia hackers only came about after the Iron Curtain rusted to pieces, LOLOLOL!  Why don't YOU put together when the rise of readily available computer technology came about.  I bet they will match.  That said, in the US, where they use trillions of dollars of the exact same tech and techniques to not only spy and hack into every other country in the world, not to mention its own people, we got no freaking room to talk!

Comment by JMac1949 Today on February 17, 2017 at 11:28am

All too true.  R&L

Comment by Ron Powell on February 17, 2017 at 2:39pm

Yes indeed!

Comment by Maui Surfer on February 17, 2017 at 3:14pm

This is really easy to understand. Once, there was a super power. It rode on the residue of Peter the Great. While there were very very few good things about the place, it had a long herstory going back to Constantinople of the study of Mathematics, unlike the 'other' super power whose chubby and lazy population didn't care much fo' schoolin', especially if it meant straining their brains around Fractal Geometry. Anyway, the super smart geniuses of the gritty and kind of gross superpower, which had the ugliest cars ever produced and driven on earth, well, they had a lot of Math to do regarding their rockets, so they called them rocket scientists. They also knew a lot about the Internet already, nearly all scientists are Internet experts, it is just part of their work, ask one if you don't believe me, anyway, suddenly a super great American ex-Movie Star totally collapsed the whole grimy superpower with his superpower---nah, you know what really happened, anyways, those rocket scientists lost their superpower jobs just when the opportunity to hack really got profitable---so, what did they do? Anyone familiar knows ... dismissing this yuuuuge fact is a strange thing though, I really don't know what it means to say they aren't hacking, aren't dangerous? aren't pushing back towards their old boundaries, aren't? What aren't they doing now?

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