[Note: certain parts of this post came from a PM which I haven't yet sent]

Regarding your thoughts vis a vis superficial characteristics of people we meet such as the color of their skin or where they were born or what they or their parents' religion or lack thereof is/was or their eye color or sexual proclivities or whether they prefer the Beatles over the Rolling Stones or whether or not the Genome Project does or doesn't tell us they have Neanderthal mitochondria on their motherfucking doubly helical DNA strands (which I definitely DO by the way and I hope that isn't TMI) -

Eck


Fukkin


ZAK

li!

None of that shit matters!


For fux sake, are we not fucking aDULTs here? Have we not each of us at Our Salon lived an average of 4 to 6 motherfucking DECades? Are the use of nuance in a discussion, and the ability to think on more than one level at the same motherfucking time, skills which we abandoned when we left the more intellectually rigorous environs of Open Salon or is it just an unfortunate coincidence that approximately a quarter of the active members on this site somehow never developed those skills at all? Why do people who are OBVIOUSLY dyed-in-the-wool, open minded, compassionate progressives from working class backgrounds get raked over the coals time and time again as supposed racists or elitists or whatever kind of "ists" a particular fucktard is having anger management issues with that particular day? A very nicely dressed black woman once walked on a bus in Kansas City and spent ten minutes screaming and spitting directly in my face about what a worthless, evil, murdering honkie Jew I am and how I and every one of my fellow worthless, evil, murdering honkie Jews need to all die ASAP, but you know what? I went ahead and gave her the benefit of the doubt that she had more reasons to be pissed off than I did as I rode that bus to the end of the fucking line, jumped off, and walked a mile and a half so I could spend 10 hours in a fucking barn at negative 15 degrees Fahrenheit feeding clods of frozen fucking dirt through a dirt grinding machine for $8.00 a fucking hour.

Do you think I'm making that shit up?

Well, I'll tell ya what then, bro; fuck you too.

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Comment by nanatehay on June 10, 2017 at 4:06am

Apologies for all the "F" bombs. 

Just kidding. Fuck off. 

Comment by koshersalaami on June 10, 2017 at 5:04am

Funny, you don't look Jewish

Comment by nanatehay on June 10, 2017 at 5:16am

Yeah, I get that a lot. I think it's the shape of my nose.

https://flic.kr/p/V4ARV1

Comment by koshersalaami on June 10, 2017 at 5:30am

"Why do people who are OBVIOUSLY dyed-in-the-wool, open minded, compassionate progressives from working class backgrounds get raked over the coals time and time again as supposed racists or elitists or whatever kind of 'ists' a particular fucktard is having anger management issues that particular day?"

I am not aware of whatever individual conflict triggered this reaction, but it is far less important than your question, which may in a macro sense be the best diagnosis of where the progressive movement is failing that I've ever seen. 

Comment by nanatehay on June 10, 2017 at 6:15am

It was more a tag team mugging than an individual conflict - check out the comments on FM's post from the day before yesterday if you're interested. I like this site, it can be a relaxing, pleasant break from the RW and from other online places I frequent, but sometimes the snot-nosed presumptions of entitlement to piss on people by virtue of some half-assed "my suffering is more valid than yours" bullshit gets on my nerves. 

Comment by Maui Surfer on June 10, 2017 at 7:09am

I would check out those comments, except, FM specifically asked me not to, so, rather than suffer the horrible consequence of deletion I instead left with the specific memory of her not being able to process reality- and that is not unusual, nor does it mean she is a bad person at heart, I truly do not believe that.

Artistic talent and lengthy formal and so-called liberal, despite there being no other actual options, education can be mutually exclusive, that in my view states the obvious. We have a number of centuries old traditions in place, and that's globally, which are there to keep the masses divided and conquered, and they work very very effectively. The Left, if you want to call them that, it is convenient, are an ugly contradiction: they actually do want to help everyone, but, they are repulsed to no end by virtually everything those without what they have and value represent. To say they talk down is the understatement, mea culpa as well, and, it isn't just talk ... they are truly disgusted, that is no act.

The Right? Wow, it was always bad but this implosion shows what they have always done with complete clarity, very intentionally and with calculation they play the violin they built, on purpose and through an actual right wing reactionary and authoritarian specific conspiracy. It is global without question; folks usually focus on their own country and in fact those are the issues in front of their noses.

So, if you want to talk comparative suffering that sounds great, what I don't care for is cowardice and that is one thing I've never observed in you, conscious, sub-conscious, or otherwise. You already know that is sadly too rare. Subjective personal experiences are a part of the larger cultural conversation, they exist and form peoples opinions, but, in the end, too many of them are influenced in ways which, in the USA, are just inextricably tied to how we got in this mess.

I don't believe anyone particularly cares about or likes me here or anywhere else in the social-sphere ... and I will never lose any sleep over it. When it comes to the past and quite specific efforts to intentionally put us all in this place dialoging without candy-ass sensibilities is the only way out. Otherwise it is more of the same, which is why we say the struggle continues, because it does.

If I was younger without question I'd be in the Antifa. We who supported the SDS arguably birthed it, it is my default, and I think it may be at least partially genetic, as you say.

Comment by JMac1949 Today on June 10, 2017 at 7:26am

It is what it is.  Racism and sexism runs in all kinds of directions in damn near everyone.  Privilege is the exclusive domain of white males.  Such is our lot in life.  How we learn to deal with it is our sole path to redemption.

Comment by koshersalaami on June 10, 2017 at 7:39am

FM closed comments. 

The primary value of tempest in a teapot bullshit is to provide a microcosm of larger problems we have to deal with. This place can be a sort of lab. It helps to know where the communications gaps are. Also where the thought gaps are. 

Comment by Maui Surfer on June 10, 2017 at 7:44am

That so does not surprise me, I didn't go back, she may not believe it but I fully respect her right to blog as she sees fit. However, I have always felt a non-deletion policy is the right one, for me at least. Sunshine on the whole mess is the only way out.

Comment by lorianne on June 10, 2017 at 7:52am


"For fux sake, are we not fucking aDULTs here?"

errrrrrr ummmmmm  NO!

You have obviously observed certain superficial characteristics of people here and drawn an incorrect conclusion.

s'OK. It happens.

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