There is no way to unravel this mess. All players, both those who chose to use and those who did not, were presented with an unfair dilemma. They should not be judged based upon the baseball climate of 2013. The context was different in the Nineties. Sportswriters need to step down from the pulpit and stop pretending they are like innocent schoolkids finding out that Superman isn’t real. The Mitchell Report was not a surprise.
There is no way to measure if and to what extent the numbers are skewed. There are those we suspect used who didn’t, and those we do not suspect used who did. Banning players from the Hall of Fame will not erase the stain. It’s time to realize that everyone involved in the game at the time was culpable and Hall of Fame voters now have the responsibility to sift through the mess and evaluate a player based upon the whole picture. No blanket rules should apply. It is unfair to the players from that era and the fans who watched them to take the easy way out.
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Some thought-provoking comments there. What do you think? Imagine if someone like my hero Don Mattingly, whose career ended because of a back injury, had decided to use performance enhancing drugs to extend his baseball playing time and help his recovery to last a few more years. He might have been part of the Yankee dynasty that followed right after he left and he might be considered a Hall of Fame contender instead of just a great player of his time. But since he didn't, since his statistics weren't artificially padded, and since he doesn't have any championship rings, he is left out of the great Hall of Fame. It makes you wonder.
Comment by Donegal Descendant on January 12, 2013 at 9:54pm Nick, you and your friend rasie most ot he messy issues. I remember Mark McGwire, around 1997 or '98, openly admitting he used Andro because it was legal, not banned by MLB, and available over the counter at places like GNC. There was no rule or prohibition against it. So where do we draw the line? Are corrective lenses a performance-enhancing device? Prescription meds for a clearly legitimate medical condition? When di the steroid era really start? Has it ended? When? How much difference in performance and stats did steroids make? How do you measure that? How do we really know who used and who didn't? Clemens is widely supsected but wasn't he acuitted twice? Is it fair to use acquittals as if they were evidence of guilt? And, finally, as you mention, various forms of cheaitng have always existed. I sure don't like that and I'm very uncomfortable with the impact of HGH, steroids,a ndd rugs in general, but it is clearly unfair to stimatize or discount an entire generation of players, especially since there was so much complicity. I don't know the answer. I wish I did.
Comment by JMac1949 Today on January 13, 2013 at 6:10am The magic number for the Hall of Fame is 75%... that's the number and it is what it is. R&L
I don't mind the voters making a "statement." But I say if we're using stats as the criteria for who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame as the best of the best, and if there are still so many question marks (surely some will be voted in who cheated if they aren't in already, and some might get villainized who are innocent), then let the numbers speak for themselves. Have some information in the Hall about the Steroid Era and let history judge those from that era for themselves. How do we look at players in the Hall of Fame from the greenies era, when the players were all taking speed and uppers, or the cocaine days of the 1980s for example. What if we learned that Ruth corked some of his bats? Would that change his impact on the sport? I'm sure there are some spitballers and other guys who played around the rules to achieve success who are in those venerable halls.
Comment by J D Smith on January 13, 2013 at 6:10pm Nick, I like your use of the team "venerable halls."
I agree...they are.
That is part of why I struggle to nod my head with your reasoning in the above comment. Oh...what you say is logical...but what I have in an emotional issue. I won't try to logically argue them out of the Hall, but I carry that school boy awe of the Hall and the players in it.
George Brett was my hero, and I sit here emotionally saying "why should McGuire get in cheating when Brett made it in the right way? (I hope)
I think of Pete Rose and how gambling kept him out of the hall, and I wonder how this is appreciably different? I know I know...gambling is very different than performance enhancement, just in the scope of who gets hurt.........or is it?
Anyway...I hear you...intellectually I get it....but well.......gee............
Great points, JD. And for the record, I think Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame too -- with the story of his gambling on baseball right alongside his on-the-field achievements.
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