Filibusterer - One Sentence Commentary

I hate it when Rand Paul is right about anything but if a Republican administration had said what Eric Holder said about drones, this blog site would have lit up like a Christmas tree.

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Comment by John Fleshman on March 8, 2013 at 6:41am

koshersalaami,

You are absolutely correct. I do find it interesting seeing the diehard fans of any party back pedal from the facts that they know are true but PRIDE will not let them publically admit it. This is why it is wonderful not to be associated as a D or an R, but as an – “ I” ...

...as in, “ I” own my vote!... a party doesn’t vote for me.

Comment by koshersalaami on March 8, 2013 at 6:46am

This is a two-way street. If Valerie Plame had been outed by the Clinton administration, Bill Clinton would be in prison for Treason right now.

I'm associated with one of the parties, not because I think they do things well but because one party is far closer to my views than the other is. Also because if you are unaffiliated, in most places you can't vote in the primary, so being a declared Independent buys you nothing but costs you a vote.

However, a party doesn't vote for me either. I vote for them, most of the time.

Comment by Patrick Frank on March 8, 2013 at 7:00am

But did youm know that Rand Paul tried to stoke up right-wing fears by suggesting that the drones might be turned on them? This wiped out any benefit, in my mind.

 

Comment by John Fleshman on March 8, 2013 at 7:15am

koshersalaami,

Yes, it is a two way street that we all must travel. When data become information and then information becomes knowledge, it should then lead to understanding.

If you are asked a question answers should be giving from our elected and appointed leaders to the best of their understanding or knowledge. If later, with more information and knowledge and a better understanding of the topic, simply admit if your answer was wrong.

But... then the media or people will label you as a flip flopper and you can’t make up your mind (a political sign of weakness)... so the simple defense so many of our leaders do is continue the lie so as not to appear wrong....

I am pretty confident most people will only see the “other” party do this (above).

Koshersalaami, that is why it is refreshing to see people like you admit to the double standard in the media, whether in major media networks or not, which is happening like crazy not only with Paul but with sequestration and the constant if you begin to limit spending “the sky is falling” approach to things; people are just plain sick of the political BS and spin.

Politicians and the media I hope are realizing this “Game” they like to play is “messing” with people’s lives. Sooner or later this “game’s” bluff will be called out. I hope this is finally that time!

Comment by James Mark Emmerling on March 8, 2013 at 7:18am

The dude pulled off a decent filibuster, gotta hand it to him. He kept 'on point' for most of it, and his 12 hrs without pissing is an uncanny achievement.

He said, " Now, while I’m not a great fan of Jane Fonda, I’m really not so interested in putting her on a drone kill list either.”

That is true bipartisanship!

Comment by koshersalaami on March 8, 2013 at 7:27am

Patrick,
It's a scare tactic. It's also backward, because Democrats don't tend to get as violently angry at their opponents as Republicans do. (There are plenty of angry Leftists, but they aren't Democrats these days, they hate the Democrats.) If I were talking to Republicans I might be tempted to say that because that's language they can relate to.

John,
Double standards are a two-way street. I've seen the media give free passes to the Republicans plenty of times. However, I don't like them wherever I find them and I happen to have found them here. The same, incidentally, is true of Jon Stewart, a guy I respect a great deal because his standards are his standards and can be used to skewer anyone for screwing up, including himself and his own staff. Of course, we share both a regional and ethnic/religious background, so that might not be all that surprising.

If one objects to double standards, period, one gets more credibility in general. You'll take what I say seriously because, regardless of my views, I think that standards are standards.

Comment by koshersalaami on March 8, 2013 at 7:29am

James,
He was completely right about Jane Fonda. That's the most interesting thing he said. If Nixon had had drones and the ostensibly legal ability to use them, I would not have guaranteed her life.

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on March 8, 2013 at 7:30am

I feel mixed as to drones.

Were they not used under Bush?

Did Open light up then?

Comment by koshersalaami on March 8, 2013 at 7:44am

Jon,
Not as many were used under Bush, though that probably meant he went after his targets with infantry, helicopters, and jets, which would have resulted in more collateral damage, not less. But that's normal for war. More of the notorious incidents have happened under Obama, which mostly I defend him for. However, suggesting that they could be used on Americans here is nuts; if you ever want to get there, the first thing you need to do (which also needs to be done for drone killings overseas that aren't on the battlefield) is provide a mechanism for judicial oversight, some kind of court order, even if it's military court. That the White House can make that decision unilaterally is untenable.

Comment by JMac1949 Memories on March 8, 2013 at 9:27am

Rand Paul may be a wingnut but when he's going after Obama's hypothetical legal justifications for Drone attacks against US citizens on US soil, he ignores the day to day realities of law enforcement here in the Good Ole USA.  These are some questions I asked in a comment on Libbyliberal's Rand Paul filibuster post over on Open Salon: Would Rand Paul filibuster Obama's nominee for US Attorney if that attorney sanctioned the death of an American citizen by a police sniper in a helicopter who'd just witnessed the death of his partner at the hands of that citizen? Or justified the shooting death of a driver through the wind shield of a pick up truck pinned into a parking space by a police officer who only needed to step three feet to his left to avoid any danger to himself? Or how about the fusillade than killed a seventy something black woman who was brandishing a screwdriver on a sidewalk in broad daylight in Los Angeles?  It happened and I watched it happen on TV and ultimately none of the officers involved were disciplined, because these incidents were considered "clean shoots."

Perhaps a nonsequitor but does anybody remember the name  Trayvon Martin?  Zimmerman's about to walk away clean because the prosecution just told the judge that the young woman who claimed she was on the phone with Martin when he encountered George Zimmerman lied.  I wonder what Paul Rand has to say about that?

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