How to 'discuss' w. people who live in alternate though overlapping universes? I tend not to, though occasionally exasperation trumps (damn, a perfectly good word irreversibly contaminated) good sense.

I've been *refraining* in person and on Facebook w. a friend. She gets her news from one of those alternate but overlapping news sites and thinks the Main Stream Media is one big lyin' conspiracy. So if I offer up my facts, she can counter with her facts.

In my head I sometimes argue about sources. The MSM indeed often runs as a pack, are influenced by the financial interests that own them, get all in a groupthink flap about one personality or other (twas Clinton, now Trump), has faults galore. (Eek, “galore” makes me think of Pussy Galore and Pussy makes me think of, oh god, another word to eliminate from my vocabulary, which is shrinking anyway as my brain shrivels.) However, the MSM also is composed of rivals, not only sharing each other's news but eager to undercut if one of them goofs. There is accountability, not perfect but existent – they usually have to provide sources, libel lawyers are standing by, and there's all kinds of pushback.

Reality also sometimes interjects.

The obscure little nutbar websites, on the other hand, have no pushback, no accountability. They may be speaking *truth* to a benighted world...or they may be babbling nonsense...or malicious intentional propaganda.

My finale would be: “I have a website. I can publish anything I like on it. As it is, it's some opinions about Paganism that some people would disagree with...if they ever saw it. But I'm also free to write about Queen Elizabeth being a space lizard.” (Oops, trumped again. It's been done. But you get the idea.)

Recent things she's posted – government (or somebody) is planning to add somethingorother to vaccines for the purpose of somethingorother; T will be vindicated after alternate news comes out about that botched Yemen raid; the former head of the CIA (or somebody) has admitted that contrails are, well, whatever, augmenting the evial work of the additives in vaccines.

I have got into back-and-forth with some people sometimes, and it leads to, um, outer space, where there is no up and down or day and night. Re the usual anti-vaccine thing, I used to yell (i.e., hit the shift) “POLIO!” But, like, that was then and now vaccines are full of poison. Or they're okay in principle, but terribly overdone. Or whatever. What is my comeback? “Are NOT!” For whatever that's worth. (And, gee, maybe.......)

Yet another friend today reposted some item about how an extract of fruit juice cures cancer. Said she, “At last!” My silent (unwritten) response: “I've been hearing shit like that for the last 80 years.” “Cancer is not one across-the-board disease.” “No, I don't want to hear about the evils of big pharma – if there were a real all-purpose cancer cure, they'd be on it like a wolf on a rabbit. To SELL, not hide.”

But I know there's no point. For everything they say, or I say, there is a counter-thing to say... until there isn't. All that's left is a bad smell.

And when you get down to it, neither they nor I actually *know* anything anyway. And if we did, there's no way to convey it.

(I don't even know if downtown Hope exists – I haven't seen it for several snowed-in days now. I don't know if y'all exist – perhaps OS, even the entire internet, is just the hobby of a multi-tasking space lizard. What do I know and when did I know it?)

(I guess it all boils down to the philosophically right-on words of a former not-nearly-as-terrible president: “It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is.”)

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Comment by JMac1949 Today on February 4, 2017 at 2:33pm

The guy that owns the house I live in spends hours on end watching Hulu "documentaries about the reptilian space aliens infiltration conspiracies among world leaders, and other such BS... I just shake my head and say whatever.

Comment by Myriad on February 4, 2017 at 2:44pm

Once when I did get into a discussion with someone and used the space lizards as an example of ridiculousness promulgated on-line, she countered and triumphed by claiming to have actually seen one morph back and forth (from human to lizard and back again).

Comment by Ron Powell on February 4, 2017 at 2:49pm

The back and forth of it all:

Comment by Myriad on February 4, 2017 at 3:10pm

Ron - Indeed. (Well, maybe not winning, but at least not losing.)

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on February 4, 2017 at 3:39pm

:)

Comment by tr ig on February 4, 2017 at 4:58pm

Ah ha, the meaning of is, and indeed in space, what is up, or down? And do we suppose there really was a beginning of the universe, and that there will be an end? If it "ends" where does it go? 

Infinity, the concept, really grabs me, inasmuch as I can grasp it, which is to say not at all, nor can I grasp, at least not very well, people so small minded as to be patently ridiculous.

Comment by tr ig on February 4, 2017 at 5:00pm

And .. wish I had saved my comment from early today, deleted by Terry McKenna because I questioned him, I suppose, in which I gripe about BIG ASS VIDEOS in comments. If anyone would like tutelage on how to NOT DO THAT, feel free to message me.

Comment by greenheron on February 4, 2017 at 5:41pm

My wee bit crazy painter friend gets really upset whenever we are standing outside yakking and an airplane flies overhead leaving chem trails. He wants to go inside whatever greasy looking restaurant we happen to be in front of. I'd rather take my chances with the chem trails than the ptomaine.

I get how people become susceptible to these theories though. We've had snopes for how long now? A long time. The world is full of so many weird things that are fact. Brigham and Womens Hospital in Boston now has a department of integrative medicine. People who went to medical school do acupuncture and prescribe herbs. One of their objectives is to get people off of Big Pharma drugs, particularly for depression. Ten years ago, much of what they do was thought of as woowoo hoodoo. 

tr ig, I just posted a couple BIG ASS VIDEOS! I'm sorry! Shut your eyes and keep on scrollin' if you don't like Tom Waits.

P.S. You cretin if you don't like Tom Waits.

Comment by tr ig on February 4, 2017 at 5:54pm

BIG ASS worthwhile videos are ok greenheron. Of course I'll need to draw up an executive order now outlining what is and isn't worthwhile videos. HA. Seriously though, wish there was a way we could make them regular size, or even SMALL ASS size.

Comment by greenheron on February 4, 2017 at 6:28pm

There is! I'm a technology peasant but if you are mathematically inclined you can figure out the reduction ratio and insert those pixel numbers instead into the embed code. A good pixel width is about 450 pixels, but then you have to convert the height or it will be distorted. You have better technology skills than I do. Figure it out and make us a small ass tutorial.

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