Destroying Dixie: Confederate Monument Removal

You would think that having a great, great grandfather on my father's side who fought for the Confederacy as a member of the 39th North Carolina would make me irritated that many areas of the South are removing their Confederate monuments, but it doesn't, we lost. 

Isaac Harris was a private in the 39th NC and he became so disgusted at the carnage he witnessed that, after the war, he became a physician. 

People either know the true reason the Civil War was fought or they don't, but slavery was really only moderately profitable. Even if the Civil War had not been fought, technology would have ended the need for slaves by the end of the 1920's or earlier.

The above photograph is kind of interesting. We tend to think that 1865 was a long time ago, but really it wasn't. In those days you could head into town, pick up a good box of cigars at the tobacco shop, go next door and buy some lamp oil and wait for the next slave auction so you could pick up some extra farm labor...then return to the plantation for a nice Mint Julep whilst sitting on the veranda overlooking your fields./sarcasm

It is also worth noting that the gentleman seated in front of the Negro Sales store is a black Union corporal. Do you think he might be a very satisfied man at that moment, knowing that the days when his kind were considered personal property and sold as such are over? Too bad so many of his descendants have forgotten his sacrifice.

As an aside, many of my conservative friends have a cow at the thought of a $15/hour minimum wage, but it IS worth remembering that forced slaves received free basic housing, food, medical, dental, clothing and, in some cases, education. How much would an entry level fast food worker have to make today per hour to afford what was provided to forced slaves? I'm not saying that forced slavery is a good thing, but today many "free" workers actually have it worse. What kind of standard of living can you have on minimum wage and a 28 hour work week? Many good paying white collar jobs are being outsourced as well.

Back on point. The Civil War is over and my side lost. The government should not tell me how to memorialize my ancestors on my personal property, but public property is a different matter.

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Comment by JMac1949 Today on May 17, 2017 at 6:13am

I find most memorials and public art overblown and poorly executed.  With that said I am neutral on the subject of memorial statuary, except to say that the heroes of the CSA weren't generals and politicians.  They were the men and women who fought and died for their false belief in that lost cause. I'd suggest that if monuments to Southern Heritage are required, that they reflect that sacrifice:

Comment by alsoknownas on May 17, 2017 at 6:52am

Over 60% of Confederate soldiers quit once they recognized that they were conscripted to preserve the greed of the cotton plantation owners.

The notion of prideful heritage continuing in use by those who still display the Confederate flag is a sham.

Comment by JMac1949 Today on May 17, 2017 at 6:57am

I believe that Samuel Clemens was among those who chose discretion as the better part of valor: "The Private History of a Campaign That Failed."

Comment by koshersalaami on May 17, 2017 at 7:25am

"My side"?

"Have it worse" Financially, perhaps. I somehow doubt that today's underpaid Free workers would opt to trade places with slaves if given the opportunity. I understand your point, which is that we can't justify resistance to minimum wage based on precedent, not that slavery was not as bad as people make it out to be, but you're dealing with a sensitive enough subject that I'd advise being more careful about how you say things, given that there are people out there who actually think that slavery was not as bad as people make it out to be. 

Comment by Anna Herrington on May 17, 2017 at 7:28am

Having grown up among Southerners, I get the prideful heritage aspect - after all, Northerners also were caught up in the slave trade and other nefarious historical actions and they still are proud of their heritage.... same with almost any group/culture on the planet.

but that second to last paragraph equating 'what slaves were given' to current minimum wage earners - who aren't ripped and sold away from their families or lashed to bloody bits or 'offered' zero control over their own lives, on and on and on and on - is just such a disgusting all wrong argument perpetuated in certain circles throughout the south, I could puke.

Good reminder of what hideous justifications for cruel inhumanity humans can spin.

Comment by Anna Herrington on May 17, 2017 at 7:31am

Crossed comment with you, kosh, was wondering why no one had commented on this aspect of the post....

but also was wondering if it was included just to throw in some argument-bait.

Comment by Maui Surfer on May 17, 2017 at 7:53am

This sort of fiction is the root cause of our Country's ongoing issues. As Lincoln said, "ANYONE for it should have it practiced on them."

I guarantee you Mike, we are going to blow up and destroy every fucking piece of shit lying statue, plaque or any other falsely carved idol to hater wannabe Cavaliers who couldn't even turn a profit without an actual payroll. Losers, in every metric imaginable, especially that of false honor.

Those are pretty horrible things you say between the lines, not sure if you even hear them but you can't say them in Berkeley, Oakland, LA, Chicago, or, well, anywhere civilized.

Fuck the prideful heritage act- it is a lie, one for the ages. 1. So-called Southern Hospitality is actually simply West African goodness. Who do you think raised all them white chilluns'? The African Nanny. Who imparted good in the face of evil. 2. Everything about Reconstruction is a fucking lie. The whole thing. If you believe a word of it, scalawag, carpetbagger, blacks fighting for the Confederacy, etc., than you are a brainwashed idiot who is probably watching Birth of a Nation and Gone With The Wind back to back on your DVR for days on end ... and these are the end days for Southern Hate. Your attempt to install a Confederate Yankee has gone as expected and will implode, than explode, quickly. Good riddance haters, get with the 21st Century and out of the 16th.

Comment by Anna Herrington on May 17, 2017 at 8:48am

"Having grown up among Southerners, I get the prideful heritage aspect - after all, Northerners also were caught up in the slave trade and other nefarious historical actions and they still are proud of their heritage.... same with almost any group/culture on the planet."

I stand by it.

But what I refer to is the prideful heritage the Scots-Irish showed up in this country with. Clannish people who brought their pride with them from the old world as they then took over the south from the indigenous tribes who, frankly, originally lived in paradise, as far as the beauty of the natural world in the south.

Same with the northerners with their pride - indigenous, immigrants - most cultures: humans tend to be proud of their people and where they came from.

Prideful heritage of antebellum south is not what I'm referring to -- that wasn't clear in my first comment.... but...

people do tend to love their own, for right or wrong.

Regardless, you have every right to be incensed, Maui. We all ought to be.

And I know you know not all whites are or were evil, or raised to be evil, **only** saved by 'good' nannies as whites have no inherent goodness at all.  

It also sounds as if you think 100% of whites are purely evil - and also 100% had nannies, 100% had slaves, and that just not accurate.

As you know.

Comment by Anna Herrington on May 17, 2017 at 8:49am

I'll reiterate this:

Prideful heritage of antebellum south is not what I'm referring to -- that wasn't clear in my first comment.... 

Comment by Mike Shields on May 17, 2017 at 8:56am

Valid point JMac1949, it's always the common soldier who gets the shaft.

AKA, the prideful southern heritage really didn't have to do with slavery.

Kosh and Anna, I draw a valid comparison. While slaves were not allowed off the plantation unaccompanied, low wage workers--have either of you ever been destitute financially?--are as restricted as slaves. As far as ripping black families apart, 72% of black children are born out of wedlock today, where is the black nuclear family?

You make a few decent points Maui, I hope I can comment more later.

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