by Tommi Avicolli Mecca

For those who thought Christianity had joined the 21st Century or at least the 20th, think again. The Inquisition, pogroms and witch burnings may be centuries in the past, but the hatred that sparked those atrocities is alive and well in the hearts of those who believe in the dead carpenter’s son who supposedly walked on water after turning it into wine, or something like that. Consider recent news stories.

One of the premiere Catholic churches in San Francisco, famous for its unusual modern design, was exposed as using a sprinkler system to dump water on the homeless who slept in its entryway. Why? Because rather than let those without a roof over their heads sleep inside, the church would rather treat them like vermin. Obviously not everyone is a child of god. As always, I’m struck by christian love in action. 

The SF Archdiocese is run by a man who wants to put a morality clause in the contracts of Catholic school teachers that, among other things, would forbid them from marrying members of their own sex. It’s amazing to me that after the sex scandals of recent years, this church even has any parishioners. A sucker is truly born every minute.

Then there’s the proposed Indiana law that “protects” businesses from providing LGBT same-sex couples with wedding cakes and other services. It passed the House and now goes to the Senate which already gave the nod to an earlier version of the legislation. It also prevents those couples from suing any business that refuses them service, a concern of the money grubbing Chamber of Commerce. Heaven forbid Christian cake makers should have to put a same sex couple on the top of a cake. Christian beliefs are so shaky that the mere sight of a same-sex cake couple will cause them to run naked and fornicate repeatedly in the streets. It’s a proven fact. 

Finally, an Orange County, California lawyer Matt McLaughlin has been given the green light to start collecting signatures to put a “Sodomite Suppression Act” on the ballot. The law, if approved by voters, will mandate the execution of LGBT folks who engage in sodomy. The form of death: a bullet to the head. 

While it probably has no chance of getting on the ballot, let alone passing (though considering the electorate these days who knows?), it is an indication that that old time religion is, unfortunately, alive and well in the land of the free and home of the brave.

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Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on March 24, 2015 at 8:03am

Yup.  Following in the footsteps of their "stealth hater" Pope, the homophobic asshat with a good PR firm!

Comment by koshersalaami on March 24, 2015 at 8:56am

For those of you who generalize about Christianity, think again. 

The American branches of the Episcopalians, Presbyterians, United Church of Christ, and Quakers (to name four) do not define homosexuality as sin. If you want to claim that an awful lot of Christians persecute the LGBT community, whether actually on religious grounds or ostensibly on religious grounds (really, the second more than the first), you're abolutely right; they do, and they are morally wrong for doing so. But generalizing to the entire population based on selected examples? 

The last thing you want to do is help Intolerant Christianity (by which I mean the Intolerant branches of and individuals within Christianity, not all of Christianity) create the perception of a giant dichotomy between Christianity and homosexuality - "If you're a real Christian, you can't be a supporter of the LGBT community." That's the strategic and moral equivalent of allowing Al Qaeda and ISIS to carry the Muslim flag. So, in essence, any Christians who support the LGBT community on religious grounds don't count or are some sort of aberration to be generally delegitimized, not just based on the word of Intolerant Christianty but, inexplicably, on the word of You. 

On this point, Christianity first needs to be divided, not united, so that the bigots don't own the flag. Or, I guess, the cross. 

You're going to offend allies with this, for no reason. I'm offended and I'm not even Christian. 
Making generalizations about a whole population based on the actions of some of that population is classic bigotry. 
Tommy, what the Hell are you doing? 

Comment by Myriad on March 24, 2015 at 9:39am

@Kosh - Reacting emotionally is what he's doing, which is understandable when something as insulting (chilling, if it had any chance) as that California would-be referendum is put forward.  Yeah, there are Christians and others who are allies...but, for the most part, pretty quiet allies.  A little more Speaking Up would be a good thing. It's the nasties and the crazies who make noise and get attention, unfortunately. HOWEVER, bottom line is that regardless of these Last Spasms, LGBT rights are being enacted and recognized at quite an impressive rate...which is what is upsetting the hold-outs.

About that SF church - I think the sprinkler thing was outrageous, but the church and other places used by the homeless are not only for sleeping but for defecating and other unpleasantness.  I think the church (tho they tend to be less prosperous than they once were) should build some homeless shelters - on their property if there's room, or somewhere (tho municipal authorities are not always cooperative) (and not all homeless people are cooperative).

Comment by koshersalaami on March 24, 2015 at 9:47am

I understand reacting emotionally. My problem is with reacting to whom. 

As to liberals being too afraid to cross the Church/State boundary to speak up on behalf of their own religious beliefs, I think they are being ridiculous and shortsighted. Ceding God to the opposition is stupid and we who worship Him have no right to do that. 

Comment by Poor Woman on March 24, 2015 at 2:25pm

Perfectly worded, Kosher.

I would not be able to top how you've already so aptly handled this issue.

It's how you've said it that would sum it up for me perfectly.

Wish I could rate that comment.

Comment by nerd cred on March 24, 2015 at 3:01pm

I think the Methodists may have instituted same-sex marriage, too.

The SF cathedral should have opened its doors to the homeless and invited them inside to sleep. What would Jesus do? He'd first clean up after their sidewalk pooping and then convert the church to a  homeless shelter with cozy, comfy rooms and bathrooms obviating any need for that defecation on the the steps, you know he would, and I posted that on their facebook page. (My personal history prompted me to add, "Shame" but too bad, they did that to me so they can deal with it.)

My daughter-in-law's Presbyterian church, a fancy, beautiful, old one, supports its own homeless shelter right down the street.

There's been some secrecy around the introduction of the “Sodomite Suppression Act” and there's a reason for that - it would have to be carefully hidden to stand a chance of getting on a ballot. Then, if it did, it would have to be lied about and carefully disguised for it to have any chance at all. It would also require a campaign on the level of Prop 8 and I just don't see that happening again. It's comparable, I think, to the secrecy the American supporters and promoters of the Ugandan "kill the gays" laws felt it necessary to maintain. They keep their secrets for a reason and that, I like to think, is that their deep evil isn't as widespread as they'd like to think.

As it is, the crazy guy has just filed a proposed ballot with the Calif AG and that only requires a $200 filing fee (so you or I could do the same thing with a "Mandatory Sodomy Act" if we wanted or "Immediate Secular Sainthood of and Very Large Annual Payments to nerd cred") and it only allows him to start collecting signatures (365,000) to get the measure on the ballot.

The language of the measure includes, "The People of California wisely command, in the fear of God," which will make its constitutionality questionable from the start without even considering Lawrence v. TX  (200?) in which the US Supreme Court which made same-sex sexual activity legal - or prohibited prohibiting it.

It seems to me this guy must not be a very good attorney because he includes the following: "This law is effective immediately and shall not be rendered ineffective or invalidated by any court, state or federal, until heard by a quorum of the Supreme Court of California consisting only of judges who are neither sodomites nor subject to disqualification hereunder." That almost makes it seem like the whole thing's a big joke. At least a satire.

We all know that the whole wide world hosts a significant population or crazy people, stupid people and flat out evil people. No need to be surprised when one exhibiting all the traits of all three categories surfaces in Orange County CA.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on March 24, 2015 at 3:35pm

My, my, my...  how very non-denominationally condescending y'all are (with the surprising exception of Myriad).

Try looking at it from "our" side, hmmmm...  

There are around 3 billion people of Arabic extraction in the world.  Because of  SOME of them, most Jews (of which there are about the same number in the world as homosexuals) live in fear, to the extent that their claimed country of Israel receives BILLIONS of dollars in arms money, have a HUGE well equipped standing army  aid and protect themselves with nuclear weapons. 

Of the Xian religions that routinely call for our damnation (and frankly ELIMINATION), to include the Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, evangelicals, etc.) there is about the same number of believers as there are Arabs.  

So if it is okay for the Israelis to be armed and the Jews to call each and every single case of antisemitism to the forefront,  how in the FUCK do you dare condemn a queer person for doing the same???  Fear is fear and if the "Sodomite Suppression Act" or the Catholics drenching the homeless (did they learn that from the Israeli's skunk water, I wonder) was aimed at Jews they would be a world wide outcry to have his ass strung up.

Hypocrite much, btw.

Comment by koshersalaami on March 24, 2015 at 4:04pm

I have zero objection to Tommy calling each and every example of anti-LGBT bigotry to the forefront, as I would call each and every example of antisemitism to the forefront. However, once I do that, I don't generalize that to every group that the antisemite came from. I also don't support that generalization. There are plenty of people here and elsewhere who have made generalizations about Muslims, for example, and when I see it I tend to call them on it, as well as having written a few posts on the subject. In fact, I even objected to the practice in my comment to Tommy. 

As to whether all the nominal adherents to the religions you listed are interested in LGBT elimination, if that were true, I don't think we'd have legal gay marriage anywhere because no one would politically be able to afford it. "The Catholics" didn't drench the homeless, a church in San Francisco did. Do you think that Mother Theresa would have been in favor of drenching the homeless? Do you think if she objected to drenching the homeless that people would have called her a Bad Catholic? Have we seen a national or international pattern of Catholic Homeless Drenchings? 

There are a lot of Christians who are unethical/immoral when it comes to LBGT issues. There are a lot who aren't. Accusing all of them of being so is neither ethical nor smart. 



Comment by alsoknownas on March 24, 2015 at 4:17pm

My deceased brother-in-law will have his celebration of life ceremony in 3 weeks.

 He passed away from AIDS complications 2 months ago after 18 years since being diagnosed HIV positive.

It should be a glorious celebration, replete with his cross dressing stage friends and all the members of his church and the choir in attendance. I expect the minister will be as much fun at this festival as she was at other events, but her partner may not be able to make it I've heard.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on March 24, 2015 at 4:31pm

Heh.  So when Israel attacked Gaza last summer they directed their bombs to only hit me members of the al-Qassam Brigades?

Oh, and sorry, it IS the Catholic Church that is anti-gay and anti-homeless.  This is one instance but, based upon the MULTITUDE of examples, the hatred is systemic.   It IS the Evangelicals who support antigay assholes like Ted Cruz.  It IS the American Baptist Churches of the USA that condemned gay marriage, but still disn't go far enough for some who wanted every gay thrown out of their churches.  Don't even get me started on the freakin Mormons!

Last like I heard about members of Islam all summer, when the "good" Xians start loudly drowning out the "bad" Xians then I'll believe them.  Till that happens I guess we'll be at least as accurate as your guys.

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