The next election cycle will be a contest of labels and narratives the likes of which hasn't been seen in this country since Lincoln won his first term...

Liberal, Progressive, Socialist, Centrist, Conservative and Capitalist etc are terms with narratives that all will be in play this time around...

'Socialism' and 'socialist' will be terms that percolate on the front burners of political discussions, debates, and commentary for the first time since the Great Depression in many if not most circles...

So let's take a quick , 'thunbnail' , look at Socialism:

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management,[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership can be publiccollective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] with social ownership being the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]

Socialist systems are divided into non-market and market forms.[16] Non-market socialism involves the substitution of factor marketsand money with engineering and technical criteria based on calculation performed in-kind, thereby producing an economic mechanism that functions according to different economic laws from those of capitalism. Non-market socialism aims to circumvent the inefficiencies and crisestraditionally associated with capital accumulation and the profit system.[25] By contrast, market socialism retains the use of monetary prices, factor markets and in some cases the profit motive, with respect to the operation of socially owned enterprises and the allocation of capital goods between them. Profits generated by these firms would be controlled directly by the workforce of each firm, or accrue to society at large in the form of a social dividend.[26][27][28] The socialist calculation debate concerns the feasibility and methods of resource allocation for a socialist system."

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Despite the fact that socialism touches and impacts virtually every aspect of their lives in positive ways, voters in the northeastern industrial rust belt, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Indiana are frightened by the term...and, voters in fly over coyntry, Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, Souht Dakota, and Wyoming are paranoid re the term...

Can Socialism Win in 2020?

Do the electoral math and the political calculus...

It shouldn't be too difficult to find an answer and reach a conclusion...

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Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on March 15, 2019 at 11:37am

Americans w education oughta know by now that the moment one thinks one has to define terms, as above, the answer is a wholesale NO.

Comment by Ron Powell on March 15, 2019 at 12:04pm

I'm inclined to agree.

Comment by Anna Herrington on March 15, 2019 at 1:14pm

Democratic Socialism seems to me a more viable path than pure socialism or pure capitalism, imho. Those in media and DC pushing Socialism labels as fear mongering when no one is running as Socialist as far as I know is getting tired, already.

The issue with any path of government is being able to trust in the leaders to actually serve and provide For The People -- and By The People and Of The People is also fraught, when stirred up and polarized, especially. 

What form of governing do you see actually working for this country, all the people of this country, as polarized as it is right now? If one could just transform the government system but keep the people as divided as we are in thought, word and deed? More Corporatocracy? More Oligarchy? More social services (currently twisted into being called entitlements?) Less social services? Less government? More government? State? Federal?

Not asking as some gotcha or debate trigger, I'm not good at endless debate. I'm really wondering.

Comment by Robert B. James on March 15, 2019 at 4:22pm

I’m thinking Anna has it.  I’m not afraid of more public participation, or less oligarchic control. Say what you want about trump, but you can’t say that he has not got the left fired up...Clinton was no lefty. I’m excited to see everyone so excited. 

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on March 15, 2019 at 4:41pm

I'm with Anna, as well. 

I can only think that people refuse to admit that there is a HUUUUGE difference between Democratic socialism and true socialism because they either don't understand that there is a difference (i.e. Trump) or that they don't want YOU to understand (just about anyone the DNC will offer).

You know who DID get it?  'Ol Harry Truman...

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Comment by Ron Powell on March 15, 2019 at 5:00pm

Is this an accurate or adequate way to define or describe what we're talking about here?

Comment by koshersalaami on March 15, 2019 at 6:24pm

The question isn’t what the definition is, the question is who gets to define it successfully. Well, that’s the first question. The second is whether demonizing socialism will turn more Republican voters out than other voters who favor some form of it. Or some degree of it. 

Republicans will demonize it. They do it by packaging it, which works very well for them because it’s how so many of them think. They view capitalism and socialism as having no real continuum but as being opposites like magnetic positive and negative. I know this because I argue with them constantly. These guys don’t see a difference between favoring traffic lights and not believing in private property. And these people can actually put sentences together. 

But they won’t scare young people, because they don’t remember the USSR and they’re aware that capitalism hasn’t done what it should have in present form. 

Comment by Doc Vega on March 15, 2019 at 7:29pm

Socialism, collectivism, statism, Communism are all about state dominated business sector. limiting free market choice, determining the fate of millions without their consent, and the inevitable economic collapse of that society! When will you dumb motherfuckers learn from the pages of history! Are you fucking retarded?

Comment by Doc Vega on March 15, 2019 at 7:31pm

Anna when has a socialistic government ever been representative of the people? Answer! Never! Wake the hell up!

Comment by Ron Powell on March 15, 2019 at 7:55pm

@Kosh; "the question is who gets to define it successfully..." If the Dems don't develop the correct message and narratives on this issue, 2020 becomes a toss up and not the slam dunk it should be...


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