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Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on June 5, 2018 at 4:52pm

Oh, and "thoughts" and "prayers" (My "thoughts" are you SUCK ASS and I'm "praying" you get anal warts every time you discriminate against ANYONE!) to all of the homophobic assholes out there!

P.S.  ...and that most certainly includes the Supreme Court!

Comment by Ron Powell on June 5, 2018 at 5:58pm

Amy, are you directing your comment at me? The comment I made on Neely's post was facetious and intended to suggest that people who discriminate against us because of their "religious beliefs" should never get a dime's worth of business from anyone.

No cash paying customers whatsoever!

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on June 5, 2018 at 6:15pm

LOL, nope.

I didn't read his post until just now...  I guess great minds work alike is all.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on June 6, 2018 at 11:09am

So you are justifying homophobia in the name of "art"???

What you are missing/ignoring (as an artist) is that he has a commercial business that sells to the public.  That means as the owner of a "public accommodation" he can not discriminate against people based upon race, color, religion or national origin.  Sadly, discrimination against members of the LGBTQ community is NOT included.  

Would you be equally as accepting his right as an "artist" if he was discriminating against Black people, people of color, Jews or Spaniards???

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on June 6, 2018 at 12:42pm

Nope, you are missing my point, FM.

I'm not going to go into "moral equivalency", but that's okay because the issue is LEGAL equivalency.

As an artist you are not subject to the Civil Rights Act which makes it ILLEGAL for "public accommodations" such as restaurants, stores and BAKERIES that serve the public at large.  HE WAS because he was open to the public and sold products to the public.  He would have broken the law if he would have refused to bake a cake for a Black person because his "religion" told him to Blacks were inferior, refused to bake a cake for a woman's group because his "religion" told him to women were inferior or a cake for a bar mitzvah because his "religion" told him to Jews were inferior.  IT'S THE LAW!  That gays and lesbians aren't included is the travesty, not some "violation" of some fundie fucking baker's "beliefs". (and I'd challenge you to show me in the Big Book of Made Up Shit where it says, "Thou shall not bake cakes for homos!", so fuck a whole bunch of his "beliefs" because they are bogus as hell!)

Comment by Ron Powell on June 6, 2018 at 1:39pm

There's a world of difference between "religious beliefs" and religious justification for non-religious beliefs.

There's also a world of difference between religious belief and religious practice.

Operating a business that's open to the public should not be seen as an article of religious faith or a tenet of the practice of religion.

"Render unto Caeser that which is Caesar's" and ""When in Rome, do as the Romans do." May be interpreted as follows:

Re religion, you may do and think as you please in the privacy of your mind, your home, your church, mosque, or synagogue.

However, when you choose to engage the public in the public square or market place you are no longer limited to the dictates of your religion and your conscience, you are required and expected to abide by the law that governs everyone....

In this, there cannot be, nor should there be, exceptions or exemptions...

There's a reason why the First Amendment addresses religion first....

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on June 6, 2018 at 3:35pm

...but I also felt sympathy for the baker.

If you do then that is your straight privilege showing.  I, as a lesbian, have fucking zero sympathy for anyone who CHOOSES discriminate against me or mine because they believe that I am somehow "sinful". unclean, evil, whatthefuckever because of the orientation I was born with.

Same goes for being okay with that whole "but with time society changes and people change" thing.  If you were a lesbian I somehow doubt you'd feel as much patience.

Comment by Ron Powell on June 6, 2018 at 5:04pm

There's a world of difference between "religious beliefs" and religious justification for non-religious beliefs.

There's also a world of difference between religious belief and religious practice.

Operating a business that's open to the public should not be seen as an article of religious faith or a tenet of the practice of religion.

There isn't a scintilla of evidence in either the Old or New Testaments that gives credibility to the notion that bigotry of any kind is an article of RELIGIOUS FAITH or belief. 

The court was wrong in allowing the 1st Amendment to be used as a shield 're the violation of anyone's right to equal treatment....

The interstate commerce clause has long been the hook that the court has used to hang its jurisprudential hat on in cases involving discriminatory practices of business open to the public...

There's plenty of Biblical material 're the relationship between men and women...

Few volumes are more sexist than the Bible...

Suppose the baker decided not to bake a cake for a couple because the woman ordered it and his "religion" prevented him from entering into contracts with women?

Then what?

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on June 7, 2018 at 5:36am

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