An OS Exchange On Jefferson: A Scene from a Work in Progress

The dialogue presented here is extracted from the actual commentary of the participants/players:


Jefferson was an inhumane hypocrite highly instrumental in the founding of the United States, in its early survival, and in establishing principles that would later help a whole lot of Americans, including minority Americans. 

Tom Cordle:

"Jefferson is a perfect example of how a good man can have some serious flaws."

Ron Powell:

Or, he's an example of,, "...How a flawed man can do some serious good...."


My take? There is Jefferson the Founder, who made a deal with the Devil in order to ensure there would be a new nation, Jefferson the philosopher, who was a failure as a plantation owner, and Jefferson the man, who is revealed in his personal correspondence.

How Jefferson was able to make that charge ( against the king re slavery), while owning slaves himself, requires stretching reason beyond the breaking point. 


There could be but one explanation and rationale for Jefferson being conflicted and his apparent ambivalence re slavery:

While he saw the enslavement of human beings as inherently evil and morally and ethically wrong, he did not, could not, bring himself to conclude that black people were human beings...

He was aided by the generally held Christian tenet that unbaptized "heathens" were somehow subhuman.or non-human creatures "disfavored by God"....


What I don’t know is what we should do with the information. Where do we put him?


When we turn historical figures into saints or satans, we cheat ourselves and posterity. In doing so, we turn them into caricatures and cartoons, rather than view them as men and women, with all their human foibles and flaws.

If we are to learn from history, it must be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.


Special thanks to Tom Cordle and Koshersalaami the unwitting co-authors of this vignette...

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Comment by Maui Surfer on February 13, 2019 at 4:17pm

Just face the music, as Repukelikin Representative Drew Ferguson did today for displaying a book in his congressional office that features a picture of Confederate General Robert E. Lee, and a quote claiming that “The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa.” Step up, and admit Black Women, like Sally Hemmings, were raped incessantly from the moment of their abductions in Africa, bent over the rails of Slave Ships for the entire journey between continents, then, used and abused constantly for 400 years as sex slaves, while their offspring were sold off as chattel, often despite being the sons and daughters of "Massa" his own damn self. Until White America comes to terms with FACTS they are just like Jefferson, hypocrites who ought to stay on the farm, with no place in a civil society. The Enlightenment my eye.

Comment by Maui Surfer on February 13, 2019 at 4:20pm

Kind of a tell the only slaves the DEAD Jefferson freed were actually his own offspring, as if he didn't know ... can you believe it was considered in poor taste to point this out in those days? Americans are COWARDS when it comes to race, just like Eric Holder, and who could know better, pointed out. Of course, the crackers squawked and squawked about it when he pointed out the TRUTH, poor things, Jack Nicholson should have told them what they couldn't handle.

Comment by Ron Powell on February 13, 2019 at 5:13pm
Comment by Maui Surfer on February 13, 2019 at 6:18pm

Indeed, Ron ... INDEED

Comment by koshersalaami on February 14, 2019 at 5:22am

No one will be truthful enough to form the organization they really want: BLDM. 

Comment by Anna Herrington on February 14, 2019 at 10:21am
Thomas Jefferson's descendents get together.
I appreciated this, especially Sally Hemming being called a Founding Mother, as she was.
Not the 'full' story yet, personally, as they say it is... but that we will likely never know.
Comment by Doc Vega on February 14, 2019 at 1:26pm

Since the 1920's there has been repeated attempts at revisionism to convert the heroes of America's founding into bigots, racists, or criminals. These historians have been exposed as the hired hands of the left who have been paid to alter America's past and come up with unproven details such as George Washington used to walk around in his uniform as a proud Peacock just to show off! What Bullshit! If you bother to read Norman Dodd who investigated the tax exempt educational trusts such as the Carnegie Endowment or the Ford Foundation one begins to find that these supposed charitable trusts were owned by wealthy families of the European Central Bank, Bolshevik Radicals, and those trying to force the merger of Russian and American societies through disinformation and educational corruption. I see it clearly working here among the hucksters of Our Salon.

Comment by koshersalaami on February 14, 2019 at 1:32pm

Guys, I don’t know how, but I think Doc found out about BolshevikRadicalsRUs. 

Comment by koshersalaami on February 14, 2019 at 1:35pm

Wait, you may be on to something:

Wealthy family...

Supposed charitable trust...

Merger of Russian and American societies, so lots of undue Russian influence...


Thank God Mueller’s around to stop it

Comment by koshersalaami on February 14, 2019 at 4:31pm

I’m realizing,  inspired by Maui, that perhaps BLDM (Black Lives Don’t Matter) is the wrong name for the organization. After they fight with Royal Dutch Airlines for the copyright, it will be KLM (Klan Lives Matter).


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