An amazing sentence hidden in an article about gun owners and masculinity

A friend forwarded me this article this morning:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-men-feel-stricter-gun-205859751.ht...

The basic gist of the article is that White male gun owners tend to view increased firearms regulations as threats to their masculinity. This is more true if they are experiencing economic problems.

This stands to reason. The researchers found, unsurprisingly, that gun owners tend to be conservative. This is unsurprising because other studies have found a serious correlation between conservativism and how threatening people find the world. That's why Republican campaigning is all about threats. "They're coming for your ____________ !" Build a wall, keep them out of your country, keep them out of your bathrooms, you get the idea. Who buys guns for protection? People who feel threatened. (Some may be right, depending on where they live.)

But this post is not about the article, it's about one sentence in the article.

So what's the sentence? This is the germane part of it:

"about 90 percent of gun owners wanted expanded gun safety laws, the study found."

Excuse Me?

If about 90% of gun owners want expanded gun safety laws, why can't we get them, and why does the NRA generally oppose them?

Because the NRA membership is to the NRA as the general American population is to the United States Government. In both cases, it's major companies that call the shots, so to speak. (That didn't start out intentional.) The NRA has been taken over by firearm manufacturers.

I don't know how much longer American democracy will continue to deteriorate. Recent elections have held out some hope, and the Republican tax bill might piss off enough of the population to Do Something. It certainly should, but we've been disappointed before.

There is a discrepancy in the article I'm not sure how to answer, and that's how all these gun owners can view regulations as threats to their masculinity while 90% of them favor more regulations. If anyone can figure that one out, please comment about it. I assume I'm missing something.

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Comment by ABG 2.0 on November 30, 2017 at 9:48am

not sure i agree with the results ... seems to be the other way, 90% want fewer regulations.

i am for enforced regulations.

i have zero fear of anyone knowing i have guns or even how many guns.

the world has always been up to it's ears in men and women that are threatened by regulations and/or oversight. 

it is a nasty, vulgar and dangerous world we all live in today. bad elements come into our space.

i garden ... i have tools

i fish ... i have rods, reels and nets

i hunt ... i eat what i garner

i protect myself ...

Comment by Tom Cordle on November 30, 2017 at 10:35am

Actually, there's no inconsistency. It makes perfect sense to have unfettered access to guns yourself, while wanting others – people viewed as less capable and deemed less worthy by reason of creed, color and religion, and therefore more dangerous – to be regulated. Indeed, in the perfect world that exists only in the fevered and fearful imaginations of such men, they alone would have as many guns as they desired, while no one else would have any.

As for equating guns with masculinity, that's also no surprise. For many such men, guns are quite literally an extension of the penis.

Comment by koshersalaami on November 30, 2017 at 10:45am

So that's what "shoot from the hip" means

Comment by Tom Cordle on November 30, 2017 at 11:42am

Good one. Also keep in mind that what I said obviously doesn't apply to every gun owner. The statistic is passed about that says 3% of gun owners own 50% if the guns. I don't how that statistic was calculated, but the essence of it strikes me as close enough for practical purposes. I'd guess most of that crowd doesn't want ANY regulation whatsoever.

Most of the gun owners I know are in favor of more regulation. On a personal note, I used to own guns for hunting and protection, but I no longer hunt, and I've come to the obvious conclusion – at least to me – that having guns around the house doesn't make me safer.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on November 30, 2017 at 12:16pm

Wow!  That is quite the good job of constructing the question to the answer you were looking, for if I've ever seen it!

We have you man'splaining interpreting what the reporter was saying... who is an reporter who has zero training in the subject...  but gave her interpretation of the results from a study that derived THEIR data from another study...  whose results were purchased paid for by the fundie assed Templeton Foundation...  that didn't study anything about the second study's subject.  

Gee...  what could go wrong with that picture?  

Might as well go all in and use the mathematical formula:  (6 + Purple) divided by number of real hairs on Trump's head X peanut butter = "White Men Feel Stricter Gun Laws Are Attacks on Their Masculinity, But Want To Expand Gun Safety Laws" and get it the hell over with and at least openly admit your biases.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on November 30, 2017 at 12:27pm

The statistic is passed about that says 3% of gun owners own 50% if the guns. I don't how that statistic was calculated, but the essence of it strikes me as close enough for practical purposes.

Do you have ANY citations for that or are you simply sharing your extensive baseless, biased bullshit knowledge??

P.S.  The statistic is passed about that says biased asshats who "pass about" pass about'ed unsubstantiated fake news, rumors and out & out lies, etc. that back up their position need to own 99.99999% of the responsibility for people not knowing what to believe. I don't how that statistic was calculated, but the essence of it strikes me as close enough for practical purposes.

Comment by Tom Cordle on November 30, 2017 at 12:45pm
Comment by alsoknownas on November 30, 2017 at 12:49pm

It is well known that nearly 5 times out of 4 people will make up their own statistics 88.35% of the time to emphasize their own viewpoint.

A hilarious example I saw recently was a hot-tempered blogger who insisted that the Rothschild's own all the banks in the world.

Comment by Maui Surfer on November 30, 2017 at 1:04pm

My Dad and I were NRA members back in the day. We had events, contests, marksmen badges. I learned to shoot straighter than Annie Oakley and still can with my specs on.

These were mainly Armed Forces Veterans like Pops who knew everything about guns, and were absolutely adamant about safety and teaching it to kids who were going to shoot pigs, like we do over here. Don't take that the wrong way Vega!

Comment by koshersalaami on November 30, 2017 at 1:37pm

Uh, Maui Surfer and AKA,

See Doc's latest thread for my take on that.

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