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Memorial Day is suppose to be the day we remember the people who died "defending" America.

It has always struck me as odd that the only people who actually defended American were the ones during or prior to WWII.  The rest of the wars we have started by invading other countries and by trying to jamb our ideas of "democracy" down their throats (usually as an excuse to either sell weapons or steal their natural resources).

So while every one else is waving flags for the people who died defending Haliburton's, Exxon, Mobil and Raytheon's right to make billions off of war and greed, I though I'd remember a few others who have "given some - and some who gave all".

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Comment by koshersalaami on May 29, 2017 at 10:15am

You might get an argument about Korea. You might get another about Bosnia. 

Neither involved defending America per se, but neither was about our pushing our way of life (unless you think that Korea's way of life should be based on the North Korean model) or about stealing natural resources. 

Comment by Ron Powell on May 29, 2017 at 10:39am

Somebody somewhere voted for a man that sought and received 3 medical deferments to avoid the draft

Somebody somewhere voted for a man who thinks American POWs are losers

Somebody somewhere voted for a man who would dishonor the memory of soldiers who fell in the line of duty while fighting to preserve, protect, and defend the rights of somebody somewhere....

http://oursalon.ning.com/profiles/blogs/somebody-somewhere-voted

Ronald D. W. Powell
1st Lt USAF
Honorably Discharged From Active Duty
1 February 1973

Comment by JMac1949 Today on May 29, 2017 at 10:58am

As one who chose to resist the draft in 1969, I've often wondered if there was any official memorial to those who chose that path and after a quick google all I found was this news blurb:  Canada's draft dodger memorial canceled after U. S. Vets protest.  There are some websites that address the issues, at the top of the google list is: Vietnam: Draft Resistance - University of Washington.  There's a documentary film being made The Boys Who Said No and I expect that the upcoming The Vietnam War by Ken Burns and Lynn Novick on PBS which I hope will include the stories of all who resisted.

During the Vietnam War, 30,000 of the 210,000 Americans accused of dodging the draft left the country and most of them ended up in Canada.  My personal odyssey with the Selective Service and as a fugitive from the FBI began in 1967 and ended in 1973: 1973: FBI, Finding a Lawyer, 1-H, the Alley and It’s All on Tape!

Our resistance was a long strange trip indeed, the spirit of which can best be remembered by Country Joe and the Fish:

Comment by koshersalaami on May 29, 2017 at 11:16am

JMac, 

i saw him at a protest in Washington

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on May 29, 2017 at 11:22am

You might get an argument about Korea. You might get another about Bosnia. 

The US spent over $67 Billion dollars on the war in Korea and 2 Billion dollars on Bosnia.  On top of that is all of the weapons and supplies we have give/sold them since then.  Where do you thing that money went?  (Hint:  The answer is most went to Big Defense).  In other words, my point stands.

Comment by JMac1949 Today on May 29, 2017 at 12:29pm

Amy I found this:  A memorial for those killed on May 4, 1970 at Kent State University's Prentice Hall parking lot, where the shootings occurred. The lot, and the rest of the 17.24-acre shooting site has been named a National Historic Landmark.

It is near but not at the exact site where this photo graph was taken:

Comment by nanatehay on May 29, 2017 at 12:39pm

Surely you don't consider our invasion of Grenada to be unjust? Che Guevara and a bunch of other beret-wearing Cubans were all up in that motherfucker, disrespecting Nastassja Kinski, getting on Clint Eastwood's nerves and threatening medical students who were too dumb to attend college in the United States. What choice did Billy Carter have but to kick their asses?

USA USA USA! 

Comment by Boanerges on May 29, 2017 at 1:21pm

(@JMac: FYI, about the same number of Canadians went south to join US forces in Vietnam.)

Yah, about Korea. That's worked out well over the decades.... How many US service personnel are stationed there at any one time? How much does it cost your country annually? Where is the benefit?

Comment by Foolish Monkey on May 29, 2017 at 1:46pm

fuck this.

look, kids sign up when they're told their country needs them to defend it or freedom or values or whatever it is that politicians beat the war drums.  it's the way our culture works - it's how many families raise their children - to sacrifice without question - and if you have an issue with that, well no argument from me.  

never the less, that's what heroes are made of - the willingness to offer themselves in sacrifice to our country.  it makes them heroes.  

today is the day we honor them.   

hind sight is always perfect.  the dead don't have hind sight.  

there are a number of actions/wars that were lies but the men and women who served weren't liars.  they were brave decent people.

Comment by JMac1949 Today on May 29, 2017 at 1:52pm

FM, No argument from me either, especially for any and all who served in combat.  But from 1954 to 1975, a whole lot of those kids who served in Vietnam didn't volunteer, they were drafted or signed up with the Navy or Air Force to keep from being drafted into the Army or Marine combat units.  The irony was that at age 18-20 none of them could legally cast a vote or even buy a drink in a bar. 

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