Is this explanation and apology too little, too late?

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Comment by koshersalaami on January 22, 2019 at 1:55am

I’ve had this conversation with Maui. 

I will make the case for her here, whether or not she really deserves it, as I can not determine that. I can only go on what I know.

What would she do if her conversion were genuine vs. if her conversion were not? 

We know what kind of household she grew up in. She grew up in what Maui probably accurately calls a cult. That she would defend her father at nineteen isn't surprising. 

Her story, not told here, of how she came to change is a plausible one: while serving in Afghanistan, she watched what happened when the Taliban pushed their religious views on the populace and realized it wasn't right of her father or her to do that either. This is what she was fighting against.

But what it really comes down to is the votes. If her change were cosmetic, we'd see lip service but an inconsistent voting record with a lot of excuses. Instead what we see is a very good voting record on LGBTQ issues. 

If her change is genuine, it would be a very bad idea to reject it. What that would say is that repenting and changing is useless. I'm not saying she should be President, but killing the fatted calf may be in order here. 

Comment by moki ikom on January 22, 2019 at 2:16am

That's /\ not her first apology and explanation nor likely her last, so to single out that clip as possibly "too little, too late" is not being fair-minded. Over the past half century all fair-minded peoples have evolved toward greater understanding and inclusiveness with regard to gender issues.  

Tulsi Gabbard Apologizes: Past Views on LGBTQ Issues 'Were Wrong'

... ... “In my past, I said and believed things that were wrong, and worse, they were very hurtful to people in the LGBTQ community and to their loved ones,” Gabbard, 37, said in a video posted to YouTube today. She said her views had changed, and she had apologized for her statements previously, but was now “sincerely” repeating her apology.

“My record in Congress over the past six years reflects what is in my heart, a strong and ongoing commitment to fighting for LGBTQ rights,” she said. She had a perfect score of 100 on the Human Rights Campaign’s Congressional Scorecard for her most recent term in the U.S. House, after scores of 88 and 92 in her previous two terms.

She said she knows that LGBTQ people still face struggles and fear that “hard-won rights will be taken away by people who hold views like I used to.”

“That cannot happen,” she added. ... ...


The Tulsi Gabbard Factor by ANDREW LEVINE 18Jan2019 

... ... Gabbard seems to think of international relations in a different register, seeing states as rational agents pursuing their national interests – mainly in self-preservation and self-defense.   Academics call this way of thinking about geopolitics “realism’; it is old-fashioned Realpolitik projected onto the global stage.

The difference between Gabbard and the others is most evident in views about what is to be done now in Syria.  Gabbard visited that country and met with its elected leader Bashar Al-Assad, much to the consternation of liberals in the pre-Trump State Department who decided, early on, that regime change would be their main objective – even beyond defeating the Islamic State. ...These self-righteous moralists have actually exacerbated the level of murder and mayhem; and also made it more difficult for the Syrian government not just to prevail as it has been doing for some time in Syria’s on-going civil war, but also to vanquish the other side.

... Better a leftwing realist, which is what Gabbard seems to be, than a Clintonite moralist.  Even so, Gabbard may have to pay dearly for holding better – potentially less lethal — ideas.

...She has apologized ... to the LGBT community on many occasions, and ever since her first run for elective office... her record on LGBT issues has been impeccable.

...In order to establish a genuine Left alternative in our politics, the prevailing liberal imperialist foreign policy orthodoxy must be taken on and defeated.  If Gabbard can help with that, then more power to her.

Comment by Ron Powell on January 22, 2019 at 3:48am

@Moki; This clip of her explanation and apology is a self-produced video which she intended for use and circulation in the context of her declaration of candidacy for the presidency...

She "singled this out" as her definitive statement on the matter as a candidate...

Previous statements on the matter were not made in the context of running for the presidency...

Comment by Ron Powell on January 22, 2019 at 3:52am

@Kosh; "If her change is genuine, it would be a very bad idea to reject it. What that would say is that repenting and changing is useless."

Even George Wallace had a "change of heart" near the end of his career...

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on January 22, 2019 at 8:08am

"Is this explanation and apology too little, too late?"

Frankly, it doesn't matter what y'all think; the apology and explanation wasn't to straight people so you don't get to accept or not accept shit. 

I don't get to accept/not accept apologies for racial discrimination against Black people because I'm not Black.  Her words can used to determine her truthfulness, but having the right to accept vs. using her words to determine something should not be confused to be the same thing.

P.S.  Seeing as how most of the people who are taking shots at Gabbard were perfectly okay with Obama "evolving" and who "oddly" enough support one or all of the two-faced, war mongering "Hillary clones" (like Harris and Warren), I personally smell the reek of a Clintonista "more of the same old shit that didn't work last time" agenda.

Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on January 22, 2019 at 9:14am

...WELL... at least Ms Gabbard has a better shot than had Ms Stein...tho if she raises the money (however she raises it) to last beyond (or maybe even into) Iowa, then little boys and girls who ask Santa for  Real Live Unicorns! for Christmas are on to something. 

Comment by Ron Powell on January 22, 2019 at 9:51am

If a national figure makes a remark or remarks that become a national embarrassment as well as insulting,, disrespectful, or hurtful to a specific or target group, that person's explanation and apology should be made and heard on the national level as well as the level of the individual or community offended....

However, acceptance and forgiveness is essentially and specifically the province of the offended individual, group, or community....

Amy, the question is: Do you, as a member of the LGBTQ community, view this as acceptable or satisfactory?

Comment by Maui Surfer on January 22, 2019 at 2:30pm

This is fucking bullshit. NONE of you saw the depth of HATE that went into the Gabbard's and their cult as it related to any and all things LGBTQ up close. I reject SBA's, "it's only for my group" fucking bullshit. Amy- just a little reminder, you weren't around here when her relatives smuggled millions of dollars of drugs or made virtual slaves of cult members working 12 hour shifts in their stores. Nothing to do with orientation, other than it was obviously evil, and, it still goes on way underground today. Any fool could tell Obama NEVER actually had a problem with Gays, he had a problem saying he was cool with it BEFORE an election due to all the HATERS on the Mainland, not here. He had no conversion, just simply waited it out until he could act accordingly. I won't ever bother writing the whole Gabbard story ever again. Dig it up in my comments if you want what really happened. BTW, even if Tulsi was not ever a hater, even if her new persona is a conversions like Paul on the Road to Damascus, she still isn't anywhere near Presidential Timber, she's not even that good of a Rep for us.

Fucking Bullshit

Comment by alsoknownas on January 22, 2019 at 2:42pm

I think any one of us is fully capable of deciding on their own what is acceptable or credible.

In fact , that isn't complete either.

Any one of us is fully within their rights to express that they do not accept what has been presented and permission to make that decision as might be agreeable to some is not a factor.

Coming in from the wings and declaring in bold type or nodding agreement that only the maligned may think or speak about it is still 10 lbs. of shit in a 5 lb. sack.

Comment by Safe Bet's Amy on January 22, 2019 at 3:10pm

...and the reek gets stronger...


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