A Question About Natural Born Citizenship

Sometime during 1968-69 a Phoenix surgeon flew his wife to Mazatlan, Mexico so that she could deliver their son in Mexico.  Dr. Flynn had lived for some time in Mexico as a youth, spoke fluent Spannish and had no qualms about having his wife delivered in Mexico.  Still, I asked why he would do this when we had perfectly good obstetricians in Phoenix.

It was simple.  Mexico, in order to prevent foreign nationals from owning Mexico, enacted laws that required 51% of the ownership of any Mexican property to be owned by a native.  Dr. Flynn was ensuring that his son would be a Mexican citizen able to have full ownership in Mexico despite the fact that he would live in the U.S.

President Trump is right.  People game the system in order to gain the rights of citizenship.  Of course, the 14th Amendment states that a natural born citizen must be bound by the laws of the country and the state in which he or she resides, and I imagine that the same holds true in Mexico.

I have a hypothetical question.  If Maria Consuelo Gomez-Ortiz, a member of the caravan coming north from a Central American country, say Honduras or Guatemala lies down on the U.S. Mexican border, one leg in Sonora and the other in Arizona, and has her baby is it a Mexican citizen, a U.S. citizen, neither or both?

Also, if a baby is born in the desert and there is no one there to document it does it exist?

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Comment by alsoknownas on October 30, 2018 at 7:14am

Interesting.

My BS meter broke this a.m. when I saw that POTUS says he intends to defy the 14th amendment, as if it never existed.

Comment by Ron Powell on October 30, 2018 at 7:20am

".... if a baby is born in the desert and there is no one there to document it does it exist?"

Yes

 "If Maria Consuelo Gomez-Ortiz, a member of the caravan coming north from a Central American country, say Honduras or Guatemala lies down on the U.S. Mexican border, one leg in Sonora and the other in Arizona, and has her baby is it a Mexican citizen, a U.S. citizen, neither or both?"

This depends on how the birth certificate is completed and whether it would be given full faith and credit in the jurisdiction cited within the document as place of birth....

Presumably, the US and Mexican agreements of reciprocity would permit the parents to choose and both Nations would honor the choice pursuant to said agreements within the framework and context of appropriate and applicable international law...

Comment by Ron Powell on October 30, 2018 at 7:40am

AKA, his very presence in the office is pretty much a violation of the Constitution...

His determination and declaration to violate the 14th Amendment is redundancy on a grand scale...

Comment by Maui Surfer on October 30, 2018 at 8:05am

I have a problem with this post. Mexico, an ancient country that actually makes up our Southwest and West Coasts in actuality, borders are just lines, has never been a place that helped save the world from Trump like monsters in Europe, Asia and elsewhere. It is not a useless place, it has saved some people, despite its own recent terrible poverty and crime, and many many many wealthy surfers own second homes there. Sometimes your roots show, and this post seems to touch on them, the posit of the question shows a scary buy-in, conscious or unconscious, of the horrible racist nature of the current administration.

Let me remind ANYONE who wants to pay attention to fact: Republicans, nearly all at one time, routinely employed undocumented (calling them illegal in public, making themselves, the employers, criminals themselves) workers as domestics, gardeners, and, perhaps most important, construction workers who created billions in wealth for the property owners who "illegally" hired them, paid them spit, then had their houses double, triple, quadruple, even go up ten times in value, all over California especially, and within California, all over the REPUBLICAN districts such as Orange County and the Central Valley, both of which are slowly and thankfully turning blue. What a bunch of hypocrites, and you just bought into their bullshit lie.

Comment by Rodney Roe on October 30, 2018 at 10:38am

Maui, this post is meant to point out the lunacy of nstionslidm.

i am working on a post about the colonial and pist colonisl history of Central America snd the role the YS played post WWII in producing a migrsnt csrsvsn, i think you have read sommething here that doesn”t exist.

Comment by Maui Surfer on October 30, 2018 at 2:42pm

Excellent, perhaps you may touch on why the United Fruit Company had as its logo, of all things, a gun.

Comment by koshersalaami on October 30, 2018 at 11:05pm

If a baby is born in the desert tonight with a million stars all around it is likely to have a peaceful easy feeling. 

Comment by Rodney Roe on October 31, 2018 at 2:55am

And be already standin’ On the ground.

Comment by Rodney Roe on October 31, 2018 at 3:00am

And be already standing on the ground.

Comment by Robert Young on October 31, 2018 at 5:34am

dual citizenship, most likely.  children born to Americans abroad are US citizens.  not by the 14th, I don't think, but some other law.  Mexico may, or may not, bestow citizenship to those born on its soil.  so, the kid would be TexMex out of the chute.

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