It's after midnight, Eastern Daylight Time, on October 1.

A lot of you might know that I attempted to organize a move here now from OS. It was driven by the fact that OS wasn't working and was frustrating the living crap out of a lot of its users. (A lot of you might not know that it was I who was responsible for this latest effort.)

OS is working now, aside from the fact that I hear its main page is clogged with spam at the moment. For that reason, I'm not expecting the exodus I would if OS weren't working. OS will inevitably screw up again - it always does - but this time a whole lot of people know what to do in the event that it does. At that point, I think a mass move would be likely.

I've decided to come over here, at least for a few days, to try it out and because I'm grateful to Lorianne for being willing to host the hordes I was attempting to drive to her doorstep. I won't post on OS for at least the next few days, just here, for what it's worth, and assuming I think of anything worth posting.

Forgive me if I don't know the ropes here yet. I may be a little klutzy at first.

I guess it remains to be seen if the population here will increase today, or if the activity level increases today from people who have recently opened accounts here.

In any case, for those who make the move today, welcome. If I'm qualified to say that.

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Comment by Token on October 1, 2012 at 4:29am


Well. we'll see what happens- Thanks for the heads up , and as you say, OS WILL screw up again.

Also thanks to Loraine for the "safe haven"

Comment by Alan Milner on October 1, 2012 at 6:24am

I am trying to figure out how to make my living as a writer again, something I haven't done on a full-time basis for far too many years.  Writing itself has changed since the advent of the internet.   The tools of the trade have changed.  The audience has changed. The relationship between author and audience has changed.  For the past few years, politics has been the driving force behind my writing, and that's very largely because when they start talking about cutting "entitlements" they are talking about murdering millions of people who depend on those "entitlements" for their survival....and I'm one of them.   So, at Open Salon, I am afraid I labored under the delusion that posting my observations there might actually have some effect on the discourse....but I've realized since is that the battle lines have already been drawn.   No one is listening to anyone else's arguments, which makes arguing pointless.  Maybe a new venue will encourage me to write more poetry.   

Comment by tr ig on October 1, 2012 at 7:17am

Hey Kosh... a whole different vibe here at our and I like it, a lot. I say welcome. OUR is much more user friendly as you'll find out yourself. True, your number of readers and 'hits' may be fewer, for now, but I think it's a cozy friendly bunch over here. True too, I'm a class A attention whore  (read my latest here!) and was used to getting a lot more comments, but I'm adjusting. The numbers will grow. Like in the baseball movie--- build it and they will come. Lorianne has built it, and is constantly making adjustments and improvements. She listens to us, and man is that ever refreshing. We all need to read each other more. That goes for me too. Please do post something.

Comment by Lawrence E. Merithew on October 1, 2012 at 7:46am

I've been thanking JMac for keeping us informed on the other place's spam. I wasn't sure who was the driving force behind the planned bailout. A thank you to you as well. It spurred me to set up an account here as a failsafe, along with motivating me to get my WordPress account more active. We'll see what the future holds in store. For now, here and WP are my primary homes. I'll monitor the other place to see if it survives.

Comment by lorianne on October 1, 2012 at 8:51am

thanks for your efforts on this.  We are pursuing several avenues to connect our community to a publication... similar to the way Open salon is connected to big salon. We have also begun to direct  a greater amount of attention to gaining readers/writers from outside of Open salon; fresh voices are always good.  Our goal is to let this community find its path by emulating what sites like Open & others did well and then adding our own 'spin' based on the very experienced knowledge of our members. We don't need to be a 'new' version of Open Salon... we can be better.

Comment by Anne Armand on October 1, 2012 at 9:25am

I plan to cross post but am dry at the moment. Working on some my 'to be finished' list of short stories and essays. I've posted a few times but forget to put in the correct tags for front page consideration. I have a list somewhere.

Comment by L in the Southeast on October 1, 2012 at 9:45am

Hi, Kosh.  As you know, I'm committed to posting only here for this week.  We all know OS is being held together with a wad of gum and some work-arounds; it will crash again in spite of my separation anxiety.  I was jazzed yesterday when I discovered I could just right click on a picture to copy it and paste it IN THE COMMENTS!  No downloading, no uploading, no html changes. This place is far more user friendly.

Comment by koshersalaami on October 1, 2012 at 11:05am

HRdR, We'll see

Alan, Some people listen more than others and the effects of what you post are sometimes not greatest on the blog itself. I've had people use some of my stuff in classrooms. That could make a cumulative difference. You never know where it's going to go.

Trig, I'm going to hang out for a while and figure this place out. You're right about Lorianne being responsive - she's even considering the addition of a Favorites feature, something that helped us keep track of our friends and those we simply wanted to read on OS without limiting the comment traffic.

Lawrence,  I'm not responsible for anything resembling a bailout, I'm just responsible for organizing a move from OS to here, which I suspect is going to turn out to be mostly a dry run for when OS screws up again and people can't get to their PM's. OS got their act together, probably temporarily, in time to avert what I think would have been a pretty massive move. As it is, a lot of people came over and founded accounts here so they can be ready to go when they can't get on OS.

Lorianne,  In addition to your help in general, I particularly appreciated your point (I forget where you made it) that the number of hits doesn't equal the number of actual readers. Sometimes people are fishing based on something about the title. That means the OS Popularity function is probably not giving an accurate picture of actual popularity. And, by the way, the point isn't to turn this into OS. The point for some of us is to preserve those portions of the OS community which we value. I don't know Lawrence (at least under that name) and I barely know you but everyone else commenting here so far is from my Favorites list on OS and a few of them were active in the move project.  Alan tried to organize a mass move of his own earlier but without the impetus of OS having access problems there wasn't sufficient motivation at the time to pull it off.  I don't value OS per se, I value my friends on OS and some of those who aren't necessarily my friends but whom I find interesting from time to time. It's not the OS experience I'm looking to duplicate, it's the community, not as an exact replica, but with enough of my friends here.

Once I understand the mechanics of this place, I might post on some of the basics. Stuff like:

What the "Friends" function is.

How the Following function works. The idea that there is an easy way to be notified every time a comment is made in a conversation on someone else's blog is a really good one, so if you're in the middle of a discussion, you don't need to keep checking in. Smart idea.

Don't confuse Friends with Favorites. They are not the same thing.

How to find people you know who are already here, like if you want to Friend them. (Or eventually Favorite them.)

That the Comments sections are paginated. Oops.

How to indicate other than verbally that you like a post.

I'm not even getting to stuff like how to import XYZ. I might mention that pictures on this site are miles better than on OS.

You know, a Quick Start Guide. You may already have one, but I haven't tripped over it yet. Also, it makes sense in this case to have one specifically for people who come from OS so that they/we understand this in terms of what we're used to.

Comment by koshersalaami on October 1, 2012 at 1:22pm

Thanks Rita.

For what it's worth, I just posted my first post here that has not been cross-posted to OS. A minute ago.

Comment by Helvetica Stone on October 2, 2012 at 9:13pm

OS is still broken for me.  I can post, but I haven't been able to post on anyone else's comments there since July something or other.  I've tried every browser, tech support, even got a personal response from Joel, to no avail.  I cried the morning that I gave up on OS.  I mean really cried about the loss of it.  I also backed up my entire site and made sure it was cross posted and all that stuff.  It was the community I missed.  The being excluded, shut out, locked out from the discussion.  I was really shocking to realize that the discussion was at least if not as important as my writing.


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