hi all. have been blogging on 911 over 7 years now, originally on open salon, with nearly my earliest post (2nd iirc), now over ½ the time since the event itself. some of my best content vaporized on that site, and a few 911 posts had thousands of hits over the years. would like to go rescue it, but its a huge job. open salon was able to materialize a small cadre of dedicated alternative political writers for a brief window, it was unprecedented.

the sands of time have covered up some of 911, and maybe the truth will never fully percolate through american consciousness at this point. lets face it, trying to be realistic, kennedy assassination is over ½ century old and we still dont know the truth on that one. (although there are some new noises about it with CIA release of info etc.)

but, do believe along with x files, "the truth is out there". it might even be sketched out in these links.

there is an imprint/ shadow into our politics that will not go away.

see some glimmers of shifts and new directions such as US relationship with saudi arabia etc.

there are many outstanding/ eye-popping books at this point and encourage you to read a few of them.

am reminded of the USS liberty attack, an excellent case study in information dissemination vs coverup vs US military. the truth eventually dripped out nearly decades later.

also, the US media is under heavy pressure from many angles, such as facebook, (apparently?) russia, even the president himself. the stonewall/ coverup may have some serious cracks in it. will it eventually crumble in our time? it seems at least conceivable.

a. 911c
  • 1. The Day Nothing Changed - The New York Times
  • 2. 9/11: Finding Answers in Ashes 16 Years Later - The New York Times
  • 3. 9/11 Anniversary: Many Families Still Don't Have Remains | Time.com
  • 4. Trump Confidante Roger Stone Pushes Clinton Aide 9/11 Conspiracy, Claims Trump Views RNC Chairman As “Second Lieutenant”
  • 5. Donald Trump’s Bogus 9/11 Rescue - The Daily Beast
  • 6. The Untold Story of 9/11: Bailing Out Alan Greenspan’s Legacy
  • 7. IAEA Source: Trump Fires Accused Israeli Nuclear Spy, Tom Countryman | Veterans Today
  • 8. UK firefighters ask: Why has WTC-7 “collapse” had ZERO effect on high rise fire policies? | Veterans Today
  • 9. London high-rise fire conspiracy: The 9/11 connection | Veterans Today
  • 10. September 11 SHOCK: Did these video games chillingly predict World Trade Center attacks? | Daily Star
a2. bombing
  • 1. Fifteen Years Later, Physics Journal Concludes All Three WTC Towers Collapsed on 9/11 Due to Controlled Demolition | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
  • 2. New Evidence May Support 9/11 Controlled Demolition Conspiracy | Gaia
  • 4. BREAKING: 9/11, Filling in the Map, Tracing the Nukes | Veterans Today
  • 5. 9/11 was a false-flag event; war was the hidden agenda | Community Perspectives | newsminer.com
  • 6. 15 years later: on the physics of high-rise building collapses
  • 7. Donald Trump: “Bombs were used on the World Trade Center!” | Veterans Today
a3. saudi
  • 1. Saudis paid for US veteran trips against 9/11 lawsuit law
  • 2. Britain's Labour Party Supports U.S. 9/11 Survivors Demanding Release of Suppressed Report on Saudis » The Event Chronicle
  • 3. Saudi government allegedly funded a ‘dry run’ for 9/11 | New York Post
  • 4. 'Will the 9/11 Case Finally Go to Trial?': Andrew Cockburn on New Evidence Linking Saudis to Attacks | Alternet
  • 5. The Saudi 9/11 Bill Is A Gross Stunt That Empowers Conspiracy Theorists | Huffington Post
  • 6. Are U.S.-Saudi Relations Finally Souring? | Alternet
  • 7. Guantanamo prisoner Ghassan Abdallah al-Sharbi says Saudi 'royal' involved in terrorism | Daily Mail Online
  • 8. Labour joins 9/11 survivors in demanding Theresa May release suppressed Saudi Arabia terrorism report | The Independent
  • 9. President Obama vetoes bill that would allow 9/11 families to sue Saudi Arabia | Daily Mail Online
  • 10. How the 9/11 Families Could Force the First-Ever Override of an Obama Veto - The Daily Beast
  • 11. Day After Rejecting Veto, Congressional Leaders Concerned About 9/11 Law | Huffington Post
  • 12. Obama’s 9/11 Veto Threat Jams Up Hillary Clinton - The Daily Beast
a4. truthers
  • 1. The Propaganda Preparation of 9/11: The Mysterious Death of John O’Neill, FBI Counterterror Chief in Charge of the Osama bin Laden Investigation | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
  • 2. September 11, 2001: 9/11, the Day the Laws of Physics were Suspended. We Were Told “People Hating our Freedoms, attacked the Centers of American power” | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
  • 3. Successful 9/11 Building-7 Challenge Ends With Unlawful Arrest at University of Florida | Veterans Today
  • 4. President Obama, Drug Czar Host 9/11-Truther Macklemore, Again - The Daily Beast
  • 5. When Librarians Are Silenced by Francine Prose | NYR Daily | The New York Review of Books
  • 6. Pravda: Putin Threatens to Release Satellite Evidence of 9/11 | Veterans Today
  • 7. 9/11 Eyewitnesses: List of Mysterious Deaths » The Event Chronicle
  • 8. 9/11 conspiracy theories persist 16 years after atrocity | Daily Mail Online
  • 9. 9/11 Truth Movement Still Peeling Back Layers Of The US Government’s 9/11 Narrative
  • 10. 9/11 truth goes mainstream in New York and London…and rocks SF Bay Area | Veterans Today
  • 11. AE911Truth — Architects & Engineers Investigating the destruction of all three World Trade Center skyscrapers on September 11 - WTC 7 Study and Bobby McIlvaine Act to Propel Next Phase of AE911Truth Activism
  • 12. The collapse of the World Trade Centre: accidentally on purpose!
  • 13. Debunking the 28 Pages, Top Secret 9/11 Document Revealed | Veterans Today
a5. bollyn
  • 1. Jew-Hater Christopher Bollyn Brings 9/11 False Flag Act to the Brooklyn Commons - The Daily Beast
  • 2. Solving 9-11: The Deception That Changed the World By Christopher Bollyn
  • 3. Christopher Bollyn 

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Comment by moki ikom on September 25, 2017 at 10:41pm

ii'm going with this too: 


By "we" she means Israel. And Israel doesn't want Syria safe and stable, they want Syria to "hemorrhage to death".


Nikki Haley, Cherokee Zionazi: an ultimate, supreme, ambassadorial example of terrorUSt$' Stockholm Syndrome!

Comment by nanatehay on September 26, 2017 at 12:20am

"there is an imprint/shadow [from 911] into our politics that will never go away."

I'll concur with you on that, but not with much else you say about what happened that beautiful September day 16 years ago. Would go into more detail, but as I remember you and I have already had this convo before and I seriously doubt either of us is going to change the others' mind about it.

Respectfully agreeing to disagree works for me and, hopefully, for VZN as well; how about you, Moki my Thracian friend? It is my belief, borne up by certain statements from Herodotus and Pliny the Elder, that the main reason Alexander won the Battle of Gaugamela was because the Persians couldn't make their horses charge through the hideous reek of garlic and stale wine surrounding the Macedonian phalanx. The power of smell should never be taken lightly, and I dunno about you, but for me it's kinda humbling to realize we might all be talkin' Farsi right now if ol' Darius had just brought a couple goat skins full of Febreze to the shin-dig. 

Comment by moki ikom on September 26, 2017 at 1:25am

"...new directions such as US relationship with saudi arabia etc."  vzn, Nothing new i can see in US Saudi relationship.  Saudi funding and supplying jihadi militants to US Israel fostered regime-changes and terror in southwest asia  is seamless at least since overthrowing the Marxist government of Afghanistan and the destruction of Kabul.

nan, vzn's metaphorical imprint/shadow/smell from nine eleven is hideous as well, zionauseous some would say though our zionazi enabling mainstream media would have all believe that nine eleven had nothing to do with isRealHell in Palestine, isRealHell in the Middle East.

Comment by nanatehay on September 26, 2017 at 1:53am

I agree, Moki, at least in part; 9/11 had something to do with Israel and our unwavering, decades-long support of that nation even when such support isn't in our national interests. It had far more to do, however, with our bases on the Arabian Peninsula, and even more fundamentally, it was about the consequences of the US and our BFFs the Saudis using Pakistan as a conduit through which to finance, arm and train Pashtun, Arab and assorted other Muslim insurrectionists with the aim of turning Afghanistan into the Russian version of Vietnam. That policy worked better than we could have hoped, but unfortunately we then simply walked away and left our erstwhile allies twisting in the wind, that callously critical mistake leading more or less directly to the rise of Al Qaeda and the Taliban and thus the 9/11 attacks themselves - said attacks and such preludes to them as the East African embassy bombings in 2000 being in fact spectacular examples of what is referred to in intelligence circles as "blowback." Which means, of course, that VZN and other 9/11 conspiracy theorists have at least one thing right; the US government and the Pentagon and CIA et. al played a central role in bringing down the WTC, albeit not in the Jason Bourne, X Files sort of fashion they allege. 

Comment by koshersalaami on September 26, 2017 at 7:02am

Al Qaida was not initially concerned about Israel at all. Any concern came later as Bin Laden looked to use opposition to Israel to drum up Muslim support, rather like Iran does now except even more cynically. Arafat spurned Bin Laden's overtures. Bin Laden was concerned about the embarrassment of an American military presence on sacred Saudi soil, not Israel. No theory about any Israeli involvement in 9/11 holds up - other than Israeli intelligence warning the Bush administration that something major was up. Israel is not at the heart of every Middle Eastern issue and happened to have been very peripheral to this one. 

Regarding the impact of unwavering American support for Israel:

An American career diplomat by the name of Dennis Ross wrote a book called Doomed To Succeed about the history of Israeli-American diplomatic relations, administration by administration. One unexpected thing he points out is that since the Arab oil embargo of 1973/74, no Arab government has changed its policy at all in reaction to any American action regarding Israel. Israel has a lot to do with Arab government PR to their own populations but is aside from that a sideshow. No surrounding nation has the slightest worry that Israel has territorial designs on them with the exception of Israel not returning the Golan Heights to Syria which Israel has held for half a century. The Sunni states are all highly worried about Iran because their exporting of fundamentalism means the Sunni governments are in danger of being overthrown by Islamicist revolutions. 


Comment by vzn on September 26, 2017 at 8:42am

wow! usually get very little response even with hotbutton topics. thx for the comments, its reassuring/ encouraging.

nanatehey: youre very well read, appreciate your thoughtful writing/ comments. re my condolences wrt your family. re 911: did not actually make much claims in my own writing in this particular post, saved that for many older posts. if someone such as yourself who is so well read still cannot contemplate a hidden agenda behind 911, then what hope is there for the rest of the unwashed masses? at least you seem to be willing to engage to some degree with others with diametrically opposed views, an admirable and not really all that common attribute...

Comment by vzn on September 26, 2017 at 8:47am

KS "No theory about any Israeli involvement in 9/11 holds up". agreed in that none of them hold up to extremely heavily fortified information warfare. an old expr or maybe even graffiti, history is written by the assassins

Comment by koshersalaami on September 26, 2017 at 2:10pm


No credible motive, no credible methodology. At least not to Israel. Saudi involvement may be something else as evidence builds of that, though God only knows what level of stupidity it would have taken. 

Comment by vzn on September 26, 2017 at 6:13pm

motive? a very complex question. there seem to be overlapping motives. israel does not really seem to be very fond of any of its neighbors, to put it lightly. it seems to have been a documented enemy of iraq/ hussein at the time, although this is rarely remarked on by the lamestream media. on other hand israel is not the only one involved. war seems to be a major motive. covert warfare seems to be the major methodology.

Comment by nanatehay on September 26, 2017 at 6:28pm

can contemplate a hidden agenda behind the attacks, and actually spent a fair amount of time doing so after they happened. Have read every book on the topic I could find since then, including a couple of the conspiracy ones, but from what I could ascertain based on what I read, the preponderance of evidence indicates that what appeared to have happened is in fact what actually happened. That is usually the case when something happens, whether we're talking about subatomic particles or the beginning of WW2, wouldn't you agree? I realize there are some exceptions to that rule, and I know there are in fact all kinds of conspiracies taking place all around us all the time, but nonetheless I remain a big fan of Occam's Razor.


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