1-Sentence: Our Worst Mass Murder Only If...

The Nevada mass murder is the worst in our history only if only white lives matter.



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Comment by Jonathan Wolfman on October 8, 2017 at 6:03am

Good Sunday!

Comment by Ron Powell on October 8, 2017 at 7:09am

Absolutely!Shame on you JW. You've been reading again.

Comment by Foolish Monkey on October 8, 2017 at 11:41am

I just did a search because I questioned this premise - that we count white deaths more than we count the deaths of persons of color.  I'd go further and say america, the institution, obviously DOES value white lives more.  I think this is clear in how we apply govt funding for education, housing, infrastructure, etc.  it's abundantly clear in how the disaster in Puerto Rico was handled vs Texas and Florida.  In one there was a quick peek, some nasty bantering and intimidation topped off by "soft" paper towels being thrown around.  In the other two, food was served and gracious words of encouragement offered.  I could argue this was the idiot but since not many others in government found it as appalling as the rest of the country to speak out against it, so I'd have to accept this is institutional acceptance of dark lives mattering quite a bit less than lighter lives.

I found this on wiki : american massacres.

apparently americans are wont to killing others at the drop of a hat.  white lives, black lives, chinese lives, native lives, women, men, children, whatever.  you piss off some american with power and your ass is grass.  hell, clinton had the branch dividians wiped out accidentally.  

but I dont' think this is black lives matter vs white lives matter.  

I think what's happening is we're FINALLY starting to keep count, take notice.  not government.  please.  if another group popped up that a case could be made that they posed a danger to "the people", they'd be toast.  

I think Nevada is the top of a list thats being drawn by all Americans.  To such a degree that the NRA is finally talking about doing some or other lame nothing.  but they're talking.

I'm sorry that every discussion about america today is about race because unless you have skin in that game, it isn't, meaning white people (I don't think) give much thought TO race, unless they're activists or they're politically aware or they're white supremacists.  I think americans are looking at this most recent horrific event and praying hard that their representatives FINALLY do something to put an end to the gun lunacy that permeates this country. 

everything isn't skin color. 

Comment by koshersalaami on October 8, 2017 at 12:21pm

The contention that everything is race is wrong, as is the contention that nothing is race

I've seen both

Comment by Ron Powell on October 8, 2017 at 12:41pm

"...everything isn't skin color..."

This is especially true if you have no "color" in your skin.

Racism is not an opinion. It is a fact. The power of the color line and how it influences almost every dimension of American (and global) social and political life is not an “unknown unknown.” The fact that historically, white supremacy and white privilege over determine the positive life outcomes and life chances of white folks relative to black and brown people is one of the most consistent and repeated findings in all of the social sciences.

Forward-thinking and progressive-minded people also have much work to do in educating white Americans (and some others) that racism is not just the extreme of Neo Nazis, Kluxers, or other white bigots.

Rather, it is a system of social, economic, and political practices that white folks benefit from—whether they intend to or not.

Racism need not be conscious and intentional to cause great harm. In fact, some of the most dangerous types of racist and white supremacist practices are committed on a subconscious level and in a quotidian way because said behavior(s) is just “normal” or a “habit”… one that remains unchallenged or critically reflected upon. 

As I have written here and elsewhere, support for Donald Trump’s 2016 Republican presidential campaign is not a buffet. His racism, nativism, and bigotry are not coincidental to his supposed platform of rebuilding the United States’ infrastructure or economic protectionism: White identity politics are/were central to his political strategy and appeal.

The mainstream corporate news media dances around and evades speaking plainly and truthfully about this fact. Instead, Trump’s people are given euphemisms such as “angry” or “white working class” voters who feel “abandoned” by “elites” and “the system.” This may very well be true. These voters are also part of a racist, nativist, and bigoted political movement that even by the horribly low bar set by the Republican Party on these matters is quite noxious and dangerous to the health of the American body politic.

Donald Trump has bathed, in the metaphorical blood of racism, white supremacy, nativism, and bigotry to become the 45th President of the United States of America.

“Trumpmania” is the racist, white supremacist movement that got Trump elected.

The so-called “liberal” news media and the so-called progressives here and elsewhere should stop pretending otherwise.

Comment by Foolish Monkey on October 8, 2017 at 1:10pm

I don't know what the fuck but what the fuck, ill say it again.. 

All things are not race related.

In all the above words I did not find one explanation for applying "only white lives matter" to the massacre in vegas. screaming it from the rooftops doesn't make it so. 

Comment by koshersalaami on October 8, 2017 at 1:25pm

Poor rural Whites often are abandoned by elites and the system. No quotes belong around that contention. Not all Right-wing grievances are illegitimate. They may misdiagnose what's behind their abandonment but the abandonment is very real with real consequences. MLK got that and Jesse Jackson got that when he was running for President. 

Comment by Ron Powell on October 8, 2017 at 1:38pm

Read the title of the post in conjunction with the sentence JW wrote:.

The Nevada mass murder is the worst in our history only if only white lives matter.

The post is not about the mass murder per se, but about the way it's being reported and recorded for posterity.

It's about the racism inherent in characterizing it as the worst mass murder in American History....Thus dimishing  or discounting the far worse instances of the mass killing, or genocide, perpetrated against people of color...

Either you missed the point or you're attempting to change the subject. 

Comment by koshersalaami on October 8, 2017 at 2:40pm

I'm commenting on your comment. I get that Jon is referencing Wounded Knee and other massacres. 

I'm telling you that White rural grievances are not phony. They may be angry at the wrong people but they have reason to be angry. Their economies are in shambles and their country did not do enough to protect them. In terms of their racism they are being played,  but their problems are very real and Trump came along wanting to trash a system that hung them out to dry. They're angry enough to appreciate that. Cosmetically, he still delivers the Fuck Yous to Washington, and they love that. The question is when they'll object to his stocking the swamp and pushing tax, trade, and even energy policies that will kill them. 

Comment by Ron Powell on October 8, 2017 at 3:20pm

Who said anything about White rural grievances being "phony"?

The quotation marks were (as here) applied for emphasis, not to be incredulous.

How many times have I said that these are the people who Trump will screw over first and that their racism and racist impulses and reflexes are being exploited big time causing them to be duped on a grand scale?

How else would you explain their willingness to vote against their economic self interests election after election.

My comment was about the subject and substance of the post...

Nothing more, Nothing less....


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