President Trump Escalates Attacks on John McCain

President Trump Escalates Attacks on John McCain:  Even as fellow Republicans repeatedly begged him to stop, President Trump escalated his unrelenting attacks on the late senator John McCain, who even in death has remained one of Trump’s top targets for abuse, complaining about things such as he never even got a “thank you” for approving McCain’s funeral.

Gee, did Trump actually expect John McCain to ring him up after his funeral to say “thank you?”  But forget about the thank you calls - hell, I know a simply way President Trump can get at least 75 million people to thank him profusely - simply resign.  

And what I find perhaps most interesting about Trump’s latest attacks on John McCain is - while President Trump and his supporters probably consider John McCain an easy target because he’s dead and gone, he’s obviously still very much alive and living - inside Donald Trump’s head.

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Comment by moki ikom on March 21, 2019 at 9:45am

Apparently there are some personal accounts of veterans who served on the USS Forrestal as well maybe fellow POW's of u.s. navy homicide bomber John McCain in the same Hanoi facility as Lt. McNasty -mc cain's nickname at annapolis- whose narratives don't support the "John McCain was a national treasure and hero" narrative.  Much as President Trump may trust such narratives to reflect McCain's true character, Snopes calls "False" at least one claim:

Did John McCain Cause a Fire Aboard the USS Forrestal that Killed 134 People?

[ \|/Copied word-for-word from a blog post originally published in 2008, the text is an unholy mixture of inaccuracies and outright lies. ]

The Navy released John McCain’s military record after a Freedom of Information Act request from the Associated Press. The record is packed with information on McCain’s medals and commendations but little else. The one thing that the McCain campaign does not want to see released is the record of McCain’s antics on board the USS Forestal in 1967. McCain was personally responsible for the deadliest fire in the history of the US Navy. That catastrophe, with 27 dead and over 100 wounded trumps McCain’s record as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam.

WMR has learned additional details regarding the deadly fire aboard the Navy aircraft carrier, the USS Forrestal, on July 19, 1967 in the Gulf of Tonkin. The additional details point to then-Lt. Commander John McCain playing more of a role in triggering the fire and explosions than previously reported.

WMR has been informed that crewmen aboard the Forrestal have provided additional information about the Forrestal incident. It is believed by many crewmen and those who have investigated the case that McCain deliberately “wet-started” his A-4E to shake up the guy in the plane behind his A-4. “Wet-starts”, done either deliberately or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.

In McCain’s case, the “wet-start” apparently “cooked off” and launched the Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that touched off the explosions and massive fire. The F-4 pilot was reportedly killed in the conflagration. “Wet starting” was apparently a common practice among young “hot-dog” pilots. -- Liberty Today ( reported on 18 October 2017 

Forrestal’s crew battled and eventually extinguished the fire, with assistance from other Navy ships in the area. It took more than 24 hours to extinguish the fires below the flight deck. The losses caused by this incident were high and included 134 Sailors killed by the fire, and 161 injured. More than 20 aircraft were destroyed. The damage forced Forrestal to suspend combat operations and conduct temporary repairs in the Philippines before returning to the U.S. for permanent repair. Repairs to the ship cost approximately $72 million (equal to more than $528 million in 2017 dollars), and took approximately two years to complete. --excerpt from an article by Commander Hank Stewart, USN (Ret.), a naval engineer,

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On the 50th anniversary of the USS Forrestal fire, we honor the brave American heroes who perished that dark day

One lingering question whose answer should be easily verifiable regards how soon after the initial missile explosion aboard the aircraft carrier did the badly shaken bomber pilot leave the carrier for some R&R in Saigon?  Were the fires out yet?  Had all the mortally burned, injured crew members and their medics been choppered to Saigon already?  Had the young lieutenant already submitted his report before being choppered ashore?  Did he ever return to the carrier?  Were there ever any USS Forrestal crew re-unions and did Senator McCain ever attend one?

Comment by moki ikom on March 21, 2019 at 1:04pm

Anna, i'm pretty sure i've seen McCain say on more than one occasion "I'm not a hero." and i i believe by at least the last decade of his life he'd pretty much stopped saying that not because he didn't believe it anymore as much as because he realized it was an admission that had lost it's true value being absorbed as it was into just another vacuole of U.S. chauvinistic myths.

The last time i saw McCain agree that he himself was a war hero was... well,, never.  For decades as McCain was alive I thought and accused McCain of being a homicide bomber for his role in the "not on the right side of history" U.S. war on Vietnam.  When Fox News tried selling their "homicide bomber" moniker as a new name for "suicide bomber", if one were to put oneself in the shoes, boots or sandals of such bombers, choosing between the two would have to favor being the bomber who is most likely to be praised as a hero during his life rather than after.

After the U.S. was finished committing crimes against humanity in Vietnam through the sixties and most of half the seventies, "the 'greatest' nation in history" enforced debilitating economic sanctions on the whole of the peoples and their neighbors whom the U.S. had abused with murderous, malicious and relentless destructive energy and intent.  After twenty years of such terrorUSt$- sponsored sanctions and embargoes,  even former POW John McCain was ready to turn the page and begin a national reconciliation.  Deserved or not, I give him some credit for some of that change in U.S. foreign policy.  After that, I have next to zero to praise him for compared to what I feel he has further contributed to 'the wrong side of history' whether it concerns his obscene anti-communism psychosUS, his russo-phobic maliciousness, his treasonoUS relations with the country of Georgia's Mikheil Saakashvili which was followed up by and exceeded by McCain's vile smile smeared speech leading up to his and Hillary's putchUSt$ coup in Ukraine.  

Comment by moki ikom on March 22, 2019 at 12:55am

Most all of the questions posed at the end of the first of my two above comments were answered pretty convincingly here:

Investigating John McCain's Tragedy at Sea

26 August 2018



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